[e] Balance Research

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[e] Balance Research

Postby IceDreamer » 08 Feb 2015, 16:10

balancepreview is a mod on the vault. It has an included readme of all the changes included, changes which comprise a mixture of bugfixes, added features, and balance changes. The idea of the mod is to get feedback to give the balance council a jump-start when they are formed.

This doc contains the same info as below, but will be kept more up-to-date:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UyP ... qplYM/edit

The Changes:

Red text denotes features which are coded, but have been removed from the currently active mod version for various reasons
Green text denotes features which either don't change balance (These might be UI additions, quality of life improvements), or do but are classified as a bugfix. These changes are all pulled from the GitHub development area, and most or all are likely to go live at some point

Hitbox and Target Bone adjustments
Manual adjustment of collision hulls and target bones. The collision hull or 'hitbox' is the box on which projectiles impact. The target bone is the point on, or in, a unit which other units actually aim their weapon at. All units default to their central bone if they have no target bones declared, a bone which is often in a very poor place, often right in the centre of the unit but on the floor, leading to enemies aiming too low.

This is a particular problem for many of the game's Sonar and Torpedo Launchers, which have no bones at all above the water. For weapons which can aim at the structure, but don't have a legal bone to shoot at above the water, this causes a major aiming issue, where the unit aims for the very top-right corner of the hitbox and ends up missing a large percentage of the time.

These changes also fix the way Beams often miss ACUs and SCU, and fixes the many problems with the Ythotha. The biggest impacts balance-wise will be that beam weapons hit hovering units properly now, so a boost to T3 Battlecruiser and T2 Seraphim Destroyer, and that Torpedo launchers will no longer hold off enemy surface firing ships.


Chrono Upgrade synchronisation
This makes all Aeon Chrono stun upgrades fire at the same time, which means they can now be made not to affect allied units without utterly breaking the game and causing permanent stun-locks.


Area Reclaim
Using the reclaim command on empty ground will queue up a reclaim command for every available target inside the unit's build radius.


Split Move/Build/Attack
Shift-G command. The attack function has been improved in the way is splits things, and it can now be used to distribute Move and Build commands too.


Attack-Move bug reduction
Rather than removing this behaviour, a middle-ground has had to be reached to prevent it messing with normal AM and Patrol order reclaim behaviour. Currently, Engineers on AM from Factory reclaim everything in an extended ring of 26 range. That range was reduced to 5, the Engineer BuildRadius, preventing the long reach but accidentally ruining normal behaviour. It will now be set to 20, which seems to have no effect at all on normal AM or Patrol, but causes the Factory AM extended range to be less extreme. Still present, but less extreme. Ingame player behaviour should therefore be unchanged.

GC Tractor Claw fix
The attack-move spam bug which caused the claw to fire units across the map has been fixed. One outcome of the fix is that the tractor beams now function properly and efficiently, and should be far more reliable and powerful now.


ACU Laser from water
The Cybran ACU's Laser can now fire if the ACU's feet are in water but the laser's muzzle is above the surface.


Factory Rolloff
All T1 Factories now create Engineers and roll them off at the same pace. The same is true for T2 and T3 Factories.

Scaling Nuke Reticle
The graphical aim circle used to fire nuclear weapons now scales to show the inner and outer radius of the nuke in question, giving the player better data for choosing their target.

Nuke Damage Normalisation
The outer ring damage of the game's nukes currently makes very little sense at all. For example, Billy does 250 damage, a full nuke does 500, but a sub-launched nuke does 3000. These numbers have been adjusted according to the following logic against Land units.

Billy damage set to 1000 damage, killing all T1, killing light T2, and putting a serious dent into heavy T2. Inner ring reduced from 12000 to 8500 so it doesn't OHKO T1 ACUs but still kills Percivals. Inner damage is actually both combined.
Submarine outer damage remains at 3000, which kills all T2, kills utility T3, and puts a serious dent into light T3 units.
Full Nukes outer ring set to 5000, killing all light T3 and putting a serious dent in armoured T3 assault units.
Yolona Oss set to 10000 from 7500, killing all T3.

Mongoose MuzzleVelocity
Increase Gatling weapon velocity to 30 from 25, putting it closer to the 32 velocity of the Ravager. This should mean it wastes less DPS.

ACU TML Rebalance
Seraphim ACU TML upgrade MuzzleVelocity set to 10 from 5, and AOE set to 2 from 3, to match the behaviour of the identically cost UEF version.

Billy was hard-locked to a 30s reload cycle no matter your economy. This lock is reduced to 10, if you have the eco to spam a missile that expensive that fast, you should be allowed to. Supcom is not a game of hard locks.

UEF TMD
TargetCheckInterval reduced to 0.1 from 2.5 and TrackingRadius multiplier to 1.1 from 1.5 which should lead to much less overkill and a bit more reliability.


Fix Sniper VS MML
Sniperbots can now hit the Cybran MML. Technically this belongs in the hitbox and target bone fixes but it was discovered later.


Torpedo Bomber changes
Torpedo Bombers all normalised so that they all use a new drop mechanic to aim their bomb at a point between them and the target so the torpedo always spends some time in the water, but not too much, and greatly reduced the problems with shallow water impacts.


Air Changes
An attempt to reduce the sheer impact of T3 Air, the ubiquity of the ASF, and attempt to reduce blobbiness. ASF max speed reduced by 2, Stratbomber max speed reduced by 1, T2 F/B and Swiftwind max speed increased by 1. Should punish blobs of ASF more severely over flack, let T2 catch an early strat, but not too badly affect early strat VS flack (Same number of passes).

UEF ACU Nano Upgrade
Now grants +2000 HP, same regen, same cost.

Mavor
Damage increased to 21000 from 16000, FiringRandomness from 0.22 to 0.18. Slightly increased accuracy and the ability to KO any static shield make this unit suddenly worth the stupendous mass and risk cost.

Absolver
Range = 80 so that it can stay ahead of the 70 range Ravager in a base-war for longer, still hitting the shield. It's not foolproof though. Hover height doubled to 0.5 units to help stop it hitting the floor. Absolver's anti-shield properties are now working properly again. Set to target units with SHIELD category as highest priority.

Mercy Rework
Damage increased to 3000, but the projectile now behaves like a TML, targeting the ground, moving slower. This makes it possible to dodge the Mercy if you're paying attention. AOE increased to 4, range increased to 35.

Firebeetle Rework
Now requires two transport clamps and only does 3000 damage. In return it gets an upgrade in firepower to 6 AOE, which also allows it to attack Fatboy and Quantum Gates, which it had trouble with before thanks to its declared 'Range', and gains Cloaking when standing still (Not stealth, just cloak).


Novax
Vision and Radar radius both increased, to 70 and 100 respectively, to allow a single Novax to more easily stay on target and provide intel to rival Eye and Soothsayer.

Hoplite
AOE from 2 to 2.5

Titan
Introduce missile variant, uses mongoose-like grenade launcher. Nicked from Resin_Smoker and modified

Broadsword/Wailer
Wailer's Jamming given to Broadsword, receives Stealth in return

Token Weapon Adjustments
Wagner Torpedos set to 18 damage with two projectiles every 4 seconds at 24 range, for 9 DPS
Brick Torpedoes given a short EMP instead of damage. 3s for T1, 2s for T2, fires every 8s
Othuum Torpedo buffed to 100 damage every 5 seconds for 20 DPS, range reduced to 24. 100 DPS moved from side cannons to main gun.
Fatboy AA set to 240 DPS at 60 range, Torps set to 200 DPS with 4 torps every 2 seconds, 100 damage each
Spiderbot AA to 200 DPS with 2 weapons at 2 missiles of 200 damage at 45 range, Bolters set to default
Megalith AA set to 250 DPS from 500 (Was 30)
Ythotha AA increased to 4
Soulripper AA DPS set to 800
Aeon T2 Transport AA set to 120 DPS
Broadsword AA DPS set to 49 from 100
Wailer AA DPS set to 70 from 150
Corsair Missile MuzzleVelocity to 30, AA DPS to 100 ish
Ahwassa AA AOE to 1.5
Czar Flack AOE to 4, DPS to 1500, Missiles range to 100, DPS to 300, Depth charge set to 500 DPS with 2 projectiles of 1750 damage every 7 seconds
Cybran T2 Transport Ground weapon 2 AOE, AA to 90 DPS
UEF T2 Transport Ground DPS to 40, AA to 88 DPS
Seraphim T2 Transport Ground DPS to 40, AA to 120 DPS
Galaxy AA set to 160 DPS, Torpedo set to 200 DPS at 45 range
Summit AA DPS set to 120 DPS, Mass cost to 10000
Hauthuum AA set to 180 DPS at 45 range with 2 AOE
UEF T2 Destroyer AA set to 30 DPS at 48 range
Neptune Torpedo set to 4 projectiles of 225 damage every 10 seconds for the target 90 DPS (6 Torps is unnecessarily complex to code, need more muzzles)
UEF Stratbomber AA set to 100 DPS at 30 range (Returns fire against ASFs, very slightly outranges Inties, but Strats are slower in this mod by 1 point already)
Cybran Stratbomber AA set to 80 DPS at 30 range
Atlantis AA increased from 280/shot to 450/shot for all 4 missiles, which now OHKOs any ASF. 320 DPS becomes 450.

Hover
Lots of people have been complaining about hoverspam being too strong. Ithilis has been pushing for them to be slowed globally on water, with others expressing concern that this may not be the right solution, but unable to think of anything else, and agreeing it's a problem, so... Hover units slowed on water by 10%. Does not apply to Engineers. Due to a potential bug, it's possible that the actual reduction is 19% speed (For some reason -tv multipliers are applied twice? Unconfirmed)

Wagner and Brick, conversely, are given a 25% boost, the same as that on the Megalith, to promote sneakiness and speed, and to make up for the fact that the Wagner cannot hurt ships like normal Hovertanks can.

Cybran ACU
Slight concern raised by a few people, including Zock, that Cybran get an overly crappy deal from their ACU veterancy. Cybran ACU Regen changed to 4/8/12/16/20. No veterancy you lead UEF by 7 regen, increasing to 8 at 1, 9 at 2, 10 at 3, 11 at 4, 12 at 5.

Flack
Gorton suggested the next logical step killing two birds with one stone, to let the T2 Static Flack, largely useless currently, be the counter to early Stratbomber rush. Changes made as follows, according to a pattern where Aeon/UEF have longer range, higher DPS but smaller AOE and fire less quickly, and Cybran/Seraphim have shorter range, lower DPS, but much larger AOE and rapid fire to compensate. As such, there will be natural faction diversity, with some better able to combat faster units such as fighters, and others seriously hurting gunships, or large swarms. The DPS ballpark is based on the T2 Mobile Flack (Static costs 2.5 times more, so 2 times DPS + other benefits should offset the lower DPS/Mass and lack of mobility).

Aeon - 160 DPS at 50 range with 3.5 AOE, firing one 660 damage projectile every 2 seconds
UEF - 150 DPS at 50 range with 4 AOE, firing one 320 damage projectile every second
Seraphim - 160 DPS at 44 range with 5 AOE, firing two 105 damage projectiles every 0.7s
Cybran - 152 DPS at 44 range with 6 AOE, firing two 70 damage projectiles every 0.5s

Pause All Units
Pausing a unit will make it stop executing the next order in the command queue. The current order will be carried through. New commands can be added to the command queue. Excellent for TML strikes, making sure transports don't fly too early, and countless more. Thanks to Crotalus!


Disable Assist For Upgrading Factories
Fixes the bug which causes the upgrade to stall and cancel when an assist is ordered. Thanks Crotalus!


Damage Warning
The ACU verbal damage warning now plays when the Personal Shield of an upgraded ACU is impacted.


Othuum Lightning Variant
This version of the Othuum has been added ALONGSIDE the normal (Adjusted) one. It has the same DPS spread across weapons and the same Torpedo boost, but the main cannon fires a lightning bolt which arcs to surrounding units. In the first version, I have set it so that it always arcs to 4 targets if they are available, and actively seeks out lower HP targets. The arcs will do a total of 100 damage between them, so usually 25 each, on top of the 800 from the primary beam. This means Brick has 375 DPS + 20 DPS torps at long range, Percival has 400 DPS at long range, and Othuum has 225 DPS at medium range going to 425 DPS at short range, as well as the best anti-spam firing cycle and an ability which will cut overkill to an absolute minimum.


Ahwassa
Added Armour to ASFs to guard them from the bomb, reducing damage to 10%

SCU Rebalance
Global
Part of the hitbox fixes, SCUs will be properly hit by lasers and other weapons. This is a fairly hefty nerf TBH.
SCU RAS from 10/1000 to 8/800

UEF
Gun upgrade range from 35 to 32
Shield HP distributed from 32000 Personal and 52000 Bubble to 29000 Personal and 55000 Bubble. Should nerf Rambo a bit, and buff the underused bubble.
Increase E cost of personal shield upgrade to 100000, a rise of about 7000

Cybran
EMP from 4s global to 4s T1/T2, 3s T3, AOE removed from T3 (3 vs T1/T2)
AA from 300 damage per salvo to 450
Nano from +400 to +375, resulting in total 400 regen

Seraphim
Missile adjusted to match the new nerfed ACU one
Overcharge from 12000 damage and 5000 E to 6000/2500

T2 Artillery Rebalance
Increase overall accuracy across the board. In order A/C/U/S, from AOE 2/4/3/3 to 2.5/4/3.5/3, and from FiringRandomness 1.5/2.5/2/1.5 to 1.25/2/1.75/1.5
Decrease build time by 10%
Boost the effect of adjacency on rate of fire - Now reduces to every 4s with 4 T3 PGens. The more normal 4 T1s reduces it from 20s to 14s

Late Game Economy
Slight nerf to SCU RAS
Slight nerf to T2 Fab. Buildtime increased by 10%, Consumption from 150 to 160.
Slight buff to the output of the T3 Fab, from 12 Mass to 14, perhaps 16
Slight buff to the energy efficiency of T3 Fab farms... That is, rather than decreasing the drain, I'd prefer to further encourage full grid setups by boosting the effect of adjacency within the grid.

Change how veterancy works on Experimentals
Removed the instant HP bonus. All units in the game currently get a HP boost on vet of +10% of base maximum. Experimentals now get +20% in this new system, but it's not filled, and that number isn't final.

The values in blueprint for regen are now also overridden. Instead, they are also generated from base max HP, currently MaxHealth * 0.0005, so for the MonkeyLord that makes 22.5 HP/s, a bit more than double the current.

Additionally, for 5 seconds after gaining a level, the unit has an additional boost of regen equal to 9 times the normal interval. This way, during that 5s, the unit heals up by 1/100 of its base MaxHealth per second. In the case of the MonkeyLord, again, this means that for the first 5 seconds of each Veterancy, it heals up 450 * 5 = 2250 HP, which I think is good enough to make a difference, but not broken like the current 4500 HP instaheal. All these numbers are very easily changeable.


Replays:
bug testing replay : 3061581 - here you see walls being built with shift+g ; factory restoring to full hp if you cancel t2 upgrade on it; ahwassa micro; and some messing about :)
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Re: Balance Preview

Postby IceDreamer » 08 Feb 2015, 16:10

Feedback:

speed2:
"major issues"
1.no othuum buff
2.sera restoration field doesnt repair allies

uef nano buff (try with +2000 hp and keep regen)

if you go rambo, regen wont save you as much as extra HP, so with veterancy it (the commanders ability to live) gets better, but uef nano is not getting better ,since it gives no hp bonus (hp bonus doesnt scale with vet)

Im not sure about the area reclaim, I think improving attack move and patrol is the way to go

tokyto:

basically, building walls with split command is bugged a lot
"its nice tho, i like the changes"
"still waiting for ahwassa fix though, outranging t3 sams is pure bullshit: you can hoverbomb T3 SAMs so they dont even hit you once, if you do it properly"
also GC has much less build time then megalith
but thats just peak of an iceberg, theres just way too much stuff that need fixing

Blodir: - Responding to the Readme in order...

Hitbox and Target Bone adjustments
"Bugfixes are good, balance should be based on a game that is working properly. The UEF BC is due for a nerf anyway, so just make it a bigger nerf. Will see about how big the impact on sera destro is, it's already quite a strong unit. Torp launchers definitely should be able to hit any naval/amphibious unit, need some sort of fix regarding this if it happens."

Chrono Upgrade synchronisation
"Sure, no problem with this."

Area Reclaim
"No, I believe there was a lengthy discussion about this and no consensus was found. Many people (including myself) are strongly against it."

Split Move/Build/Attack
"Cool! As long as it has logical functionality (with order queues etc)"

Attack-Move bug removal
"Not sure how I feel about this, I kinda liked having it although it isn't very logical. I would have a public poll about it"

GC Tractor Claw fix
"GC is in line for a nerf anyway"

ACU Laser from water
"Good"

Factory Rolloff
"Good"

Scaling Nuke Reticle
"Extra points if it showed anti nuke radius too!"

Nuke Damage Normalisation
"Billy is up for some big changes, need some balance discussion about this..."
"That's fine"

Mongoose MuzzleVelocity
"Great! Hoplite needs something similar as well"

ACU TML Rebalance
"It was about time"

UEF TMD
"Don't know what to say about this, but UEF TMD did need a buff to bring it in line with other TMD. (TMD need a buff in general though, but that's another discussion entirely)"

Fix Sniper VS MML
"yay"

Torpedo Bomber changes
"From a gameplay point of view this is very good, although I do agree with many others that it's a shame to remove the diversity in dropping mechanisms. I'd much rather have all the different dropping mechanics fixed in a way that they are equally powerful."

Air Changes
"I think further changes will be required in both t2 and t3 air. Such as buffing gunship health, buffing F/B anti air capabilities, reducing the energy/mass ratio of t3 air (so that RAS rush is optional). Also nerfing mex hp would have a significant impact on usefulness of air harass"
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Re: Balance Preview

Postby IceDreamer » 08 Feb 2015, 16:11

To Be Discussed

Othuum buff?
Seraphim Restoration field does not repair allies? Should it? Bug?
UEF ACU Nano upgrade - Trying +2000 HP on top of current price/benefits. Is this enough? More ideas?
Area Reclaim - I don't like it either. Unfortunately, improving AM/Patrol seems to be engine-locked :(
Split-Build bugs?
Should Ahwassa outrange T3 AA?
GC BuildTime too low?
Torpedo Bomber diversity - What do we want?
Buff F/B AA?
Buff Gunship HP?

Coming Next Version
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Re: Balance Preview

Postby IceDreamer » 08 Feb 2015, 16:47

So this is my own opinion on some of this stuff. Also hoorah, legal quadruple post!

Othuum
A lot flying around about the only solution being to nerf Percival/Brick, but given how those have been balanced with the rest of the game, and the position on gameplay they fill, I think that's a bad idea. IMO the primary issues with the Othuum are firstly the low profile of the unit, making it susceptible to uneven terrain, and secondly that the short-range gun has the main DPS.

Personally, I'd like to try a double approach of switching the range on the guns, coupled with allowing the unit to hover, which will both fix the low profile of the unit and the terrain troubles, and give it enough utility to more than make up for the lack of pushing power vs Percivals and Bricks.

Nano Repair
The trouble with this is its slot position. I'm not sure that it's possible to make pure bulk be preferable to the bulk provided by T2, plus the tech, without making the upgrade simply OP with gun and shield. I'd like to try a unique upgrade here, one which you only buy with the intention of replacing it with T2 later on. We make it very cheap, very fast to build, and have it provide a bit of HP, say 500, and a lot of regen. This upgrade would be used immediately after surviving near-death, to quickly boost your HP, then be replaced by T2 once your health is stable.

Area Reclaim/Attack-Move Bug
Let me be clear, I do not like the Area Reclaim command. It's clunky and just... eww. I also don't like the AM bug, which is stupid, unintuitive, and just generally retarded. I prefer the clunky Area Reclaim to the AM bug, so I support the Area Reclaim coming into the game to replace the bug. The ultimate solution is to have AM and Patrol both act at full speed, and even to have them toggle to different modes such as reclaim trees, reclaim rocks, don't reclaim just repair etc. Unfortunately, I believe these functions are locked away in the engine, so, for now at least, we cannot address these things.
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Re: Balance Preview

Postby Korbah » 08 Feb 2015, 17:30

Othuum

I think the first step is to define how the unit should feel thematically considering seraphim 's racial theme, what it's role in the Sera line-up is.

Define what it should be. Then make the luas numbers fit
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Re: Balance Preview

Postby Mephi » 08 Feb 2015, 17:39

IceDreamer wrote:Othuum
Personally, I'd like to try a double approach of switching the range on the guns, coupled with allowing the unit to hover, which will both fix the low profile of the unit and the terrain troubles, and give it enough utility to more than make up for the lack of pushing power vs Percivals and Bricks.


A hovering t3 tank will absolutly destroy naval-hover balance(which is already pretty weird) and give sera even more advantage on waterbased maps

IceDreamer wrote:Nuke Damage Normalisation
Billy damage set to 1000 damage, killing all T1, killing light T2, and putting a serious dent into heavy T2. Inner ring reduced from 12000 to 8000 so it doesn't OHKO T1 ACUs.
Submarine outer damage remains at 3000, which kills all T2, kills utility T3, and puts a serious dent into light T3 units.
Full Nukes outer ring set to 5000, killing all light T3 and putting a serious dent in armoured T3 assault units.
Yolona Oss set to 10000 from 7500, killing all T3.


seems nukes gonna be op next patch :shock:
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Re: Balance Preview

Postby Aulex » 08 Feb 2015, 17:41

Mephi wrote:
IceDreamer wrote:Othuum
Personally, I'd like to try a double approach of switching the range on the guns, coupled with allowing the unit to hover, which will both fix the low profile of the unit and the terrain troubles, and give it enough utility to more than make up for the lack of pushing power vs Percivals and Bricks.


A hovering t3 tank will absolutly destroy naval-hover balance(which is already pretty weird) and give sera even more advantage on waterbased maps

IceDreamer wrote:Nuke Damage Normalisation
Billy damage set to 1000 damage, killing all T1, killing light T2, and putting a serious dent into heavy T2. Inner ring reduced from 12000 to 8000 so it doesn't OHKO T1 ACUs.
Submarine outer damage remains at 3000, which kills all T2, kills utility T3, and puts a serious dent into light T3 units.
Full Nukes outer ring set to 5000, killing all light T3 and putting a serious dent in armoured T3 assault units.
Yolona Oss set to 10000 from 7500, killing all T3.


seems nukes gonna be op next patch :shock:

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Re: Balance Preview

Postby Apofenas » 08 Feb 2015, 17:44

Billy change is a complete rubbish. Without ability to practicly take out t3 mexes in bases, kill brick forces in bunches and do a lot of damage to enemy ACU taking only 500 in close range, It becomes completely useless. That 1k adjustment to outer ring does completely nothing by the time you get the billy.
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Re: Balance Preview

Postby Frozen_byte » 08 Feb 2015, 17:59

Is a Loyalist currently able to reject the Billy? That should be implemented. IMO The Loyalist TMD feature is much too underused.

Air Changes
An attempt to reduce the sheer impact of T3 Air, the ubiquity of the ASF, and attempt to reduce blobbiness. ASF and Stratbomber max speed reduced by 1, T2 F/B and Swiftwind max speed increased by 1. Should punish blobs of ASF more severely over flack, let T2 catch an early strat, but not too badly affect early strat VS flack (Same number of passes).


Should be tested with T1 AA, not flack (because that's the common way to counter quick T3 Bombers)
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Re: Balance Preview

Postby IceDreamer » 08 Feb 2015, 18:01

Apofenas wrote:Billy change is a complete rubbish. Without ability to practicly take out t3 mexes in bases, kill brick forces in bunches and do a lot of damage to enemy ACU taking only 500 in close range, It becomes completely useless. That 1k adjustment to outer ring does completely nothing by the time you get the billy.


Damage in the centre ring is centre + outer, 9000, though I now think it should go up to at least 9300 total to kill Percies. I also forgot to put in that the 30s hard locked firing cycle has been reduced to 10s in the mod, that will be mentioned once I update.

Frozen_byte wrote:Is a Loyalist currently able to reject the Billy? That should be implemented. IMO The Loyalist TMD feature is much too underused.


Yes

Mephi wrote:A hovering t3 tank will absolutly destroy naval-hover balance(which is already pretty weird) and give sera even more advantage on waterbased maps


Point taken, forget that one then

Mephi wrote:seems nukes gonna be op next patch :shock:


The meaningful changes are Billy outer to 1000 and Normal to 5000. Are you saying you think one of these two is so big a change as to make nukes OP?
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