Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

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Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

Postby biass » 24 Jun 2017, 19:31

its cute to bring up faction diversity as an argument and then also not caring about other points like aeon not having a fighter bomber, sera not having ras sacus, cybran not having t2 + a gun, all that stuff

Having a wagner (and one of the best navies) instead of a hover tank is a really nice advantage and i fail to see how you keep trying to buff cybran with this logic
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Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

Postby Farmsletje » 24 Jun 2017, 22:38

Somehow people think uef actually has hover
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Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

Postby Exotic_Retard » 24 Jun 2017, 22:51

Farmsletje wrote:Somehow people think uef actually has hover

bruh. theyre the best.
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Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

Postby vongratz » 25 Jun 2017, 01:16

To mantain the game original diversity, maybe a small than a Cybran frigate model, a
gunboat with legs could be created.Smaller the suficient to be built in the land factory and battle with surface hover foes.
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Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

Postby FtXCommando » 25 Jun 2017, 01:51

New units are not needed. Particularly not a unit that is just a carbon hover unit copy.
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Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

Postby Gitaxian » 26 Jun 2017, 21:29

IceDreamer wrote:An interesting point, but talking in purely game design terms as you are, where does one draw the line between a faction having a negative diversity element, and two factions having parallel resultant diversity when one aspect of negative diversity is directly compensated by an aspect of positive diversity.

Cybran does not have T2 Hover
Nobody other than Cybran has T2 seabed assault/sneak capability

It can be argued that Wagners are actually better, fundamentally, than the three hovertanks, for actually winning the game. They are fast, strong, and sneaky AF, which is what Cybran are all about. Is the Wagner a lack of a Hovertank, or is it a unique unit. Should the other factions be given sneaky bottom-huggers?

The Wagner is an example of positive diversity, yes. That doesn't change the fact that three factions having hover is negative diversity.

Let me put it another way: It would be better for diversity if everyone had a unique method of amphibious assault rather than just the Cybran. The Cybran have the Wagner, the Aeon keep hover, the UEF and Seraphim get their own unique method of filling that niche. For example, why not give the UEF a transport ship instead of a hover unit? I'm arguing we solve the OP's problem in a way that doesn't involve buffing Cybran or nerfing other factions.
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Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

Postby IceDreamer » 26 Jun 2017, 22:05

We have constraints:

No new units, you can only work with what we have
Transport ship can't be done viably due to code restraints
Must fit into factional themes

Can you come up with ideas given those constraints?
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Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

Postby Yakmann » 26 Jun 2017, 22:07

Gitaxian wrote:For example, why not give the UEF a transport ship instead of a hover unit? I'm arguing we solve the OP's problem in a way that doesn't involve buffing Cybran or nerfing other factions.


That sounds like a way of "changing" that would transform large portions of the game into something completly different, stripping old units (UEF/Sera Hover - while the Zthuee is pretty much a trademark Seraphim unit) and introducing new ones ("transport ship") - that does not sound realistic, especially not if we transfer this principle to other unit types that might be in a similar spot to hover. It sounds like you want to redesign the whole game.
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Re: Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

Postby MayorDamage » 26 Jun 2017, 22:52

just give the wagner a surface button like submarines, ez balance and much diversity no troll
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