Czar Veterancy

[codepants]

I've seen this happen in games I've played but have always been too lazy to go back, find the replays, etc.

Thankfully, brnk was kind enough to cast a replay with this (bug?) very visible.

1. Click replay link: https://youtu.be/Et_o-uuw5Os?t=27m25s
2. Pause.
3. Note number of kills on czar (18).
4. Count ASFs about to attack czar (14?).
5. Play until just after czar kills asf (to 27:43).
6. Note number of kills on czar (102).

Your number from (6) minus your number from (4) does not equal your number from (3). EG, 102 - 14 != 18.

Why not? Is this a bug?

I know there was some talk about making veterancy mass-based instead of count-based, but I didn't think it was ever implemented. As it stands, it seems the czar gains 6 kills from every ASF ((102-18)/14).

I know the czar is supposed to be a "good" AA unit, especially on the periphery of ASF fights, but this seems ridiculous. I have lost at least two games where I easily had enough ASF to kill a czar, but because of this vetting scheme, it survived with plenty of health.

Was this intentional? If so, why? If not, can it be fixed?

[Crotalus]

XP for different units:

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local STRUCTURE_XP = 1
local TECH1_XP = 1
local TECH2_XP = 3
local TECH3_XP = 6
local COMMAND_XP = 6
local EXPERIMENTAL_XP = 50


Current veterancy system is non-optimal yes...

[codepants]

So... since t3 units are more likely to kill other t3 units than t1 units*... we're effectively saying t3 units get vet 6x faster than t1 units?

*Assuming that the average t3 unit comes out when your opponent also has t3 out

[Ithilis_Quo]

So... since t3 units are more likely to kill other t3 units than t1 units*... we're effectively saying t3 units get vet 6x faster than t1 units?
*Assuming that the average t3 unit comes out when your opponent also has t3 out

No.

Battleship 51000Hp 6xp. 6 frigate 12 000hp 6xp.
Percival 9300hp 6xp 6striker 1800hp 6xp
Asf 1800hp 6 xp 6x intie 1710hp 6xp

T1 units get far far more xp as T3, but sadly are obsolate and ussles

[codepants]

T1 units get far far more xp as T3, but sadly are obsolate and ussles

Giving a unit 10,000 health makes it much harder to kill since there are very few weapons that do that much damage.

Giving a unit 100 health is, in my opinion, no big deal.

You cannot just say "weaker units get far more xp." As a percentage of their XP, they do. But in terms of making them harder to kill, they don't, really. You rarely lose a game because a t1 tank vets -- you can still just overcharge it. You often lose games between a t4 vets -- suddenly you need another overcharge (eg 5 more seconds, which, when getting shot in the face by a microwave laser beam, is an eternity) or 20 more ASF.

[Morax]

The Czar is basically a giant fire beetle so who gives a hoot

[d-_-b]

arguably, czar only becomes really threatening when it has veterancy, and when it does, it becomes a beast.
before it is little better than t4 mercy.

i watched that cast last night. if he just waited to make 10 or so more asf, czar would have died without vetting and gg.

what happened there is like seeing a monkeylord and sending 20 titans at it...

then later he sent a load of inties at it which just melted under the beam... the titans didnt work so lets send t1 at the monkey...

[Ithilis_Quo]

i was missunderstanding your assertion, was think that you talk about how many xp units gain for kiling not about how fast that unit vet.

whole veterancy as it already work in faf are completly broken. everyone know it, none do nothing with it. We dont need to talk about something fox xyz time. nothing happends.

Spoiler: show

when you want non total cancer veterancy system play equilibrium where situation as insta heal shit didnt occur and where units get fair porcion of xp from they strength and no flat number for same tech, also units share experience for kill so when asfs kill czar all asfs get experience and not only one that finish him

[codepants]

So...
- It sucks
- We know it sucks
- We talked about it
- Nothing changed
- Therefore there is no point in talking about it ever again

bout what we're saying?

[IceDreamer]

It's changing. Work is being done.