Seraphim T3 submarine

[JaggedAppliance]

I'm not sure how weak or strong t3 subs are tbh (maybe a bit on the weak side imo) but there's no reason to make them in the situation nexus found himself in, he should just stay on t2 navy. Making subs vs cybran destros is just a bad idea, the torp defence is epic. He also never got enough subs together so the torp defence was too good and stopped almost all damage.

[keyser]

I'm not sure how weak or strong t3 subs are tbh (maybe a bit on the weak side imo) but there's no reason to make them in the situation nexus found himself in, he should just stay on t2 navy. Making subs vs cybran destros is just a bad idea, the torp defence is epic. He also never got enough subs together so the torp defence was too good and stopped almost all damage.

well having them getting snipe by torpedo bomber help also reducing the critical number of subs, as i said at the very beginning

[Iszh]

My advice would have been more to start hover and t1 frigate spam in combination with getting battleships. Since cybran cant counter the small unit spam really good with their guns. Cybran simply have the best torpedo defense in their t2 ships. You could attack any factions t2 navy with t3 subs but not cybran. You lose to much dps. Against aeon you simply need to stay out of range because you know they do a lot of under water pain. It was no joke to learn final game stages of navy play seton. You can learn it there. I noticed that in 1v1 and teamgames it does not matter, the different game stages are all the same. Just reached in different times. Somebody could do his doctoral research study about faf and describe the different phases of game. That helps to understand why and when to do ras and when to do the t3 navy and how it looks like, and so on.

X --- Opening stage spreading engis 1-2min estimating size and distance of reclaim which is deciding how fast you can grow your early base

Then depending on water map or land map
X --- short early bomber and lab time hunting first engis, very critical phase ----> naval getting t1 air spam up and getting ready for drops on important mass spots early air battle tricky targets is to scout and kill enemy transports.
and so on ...
Last land t3 stage is when every not uef player got t2 arti vs fatboy attack and heavy shielded bases.
X --- This leads to nearly no abilities to attack and game jumping to the pure t3 arti and nuke phase which is the second last step in the game. If you go on exp spam that can either end up in mass donation or a lucky go which cant be stopped.

X --- Last step getting up anti air wall with sam templates or simply rows sending your exp to protect the border and building with the whole team super exp units 200k+ mass

All this is depending on the faction of course how they have to play their stages in the game. So that means 4 factions naval and land resulting in 8 rows of different game stages with a few tactics you can move to an earlier game stage. They are called "rush for something" or "cheese".

Maybe we should create something like this all together

[Um ZiniZini]

My take on this submarine is the following:

* It doesn't look cool
* It costs too much, mass to mass ratio's vs atlantis, coopers, barracudas, aeon destroyers etc. etc. it competes badly

These 2 points is my only problem with them, they look crap and are a bit too expensive for what they're able of

[Mel_Gibson]

* It costs too much, mass to mass ratio's vs atlantis, coopers, barracudas, aeon destroyers etc. etc. it competes badly

You're the guy that started the torrent thread right? I like your work.

[Lieutenant Lich]

When I play phantom, I choose seraphim for their excellent (as for me) navy. Subhunter spam can beat the shit out of a HARMS line quite easily. However, I would like them to have a buff: +500HP and better torp defense. Ah yes, atlantis needs to be able to go deeper so it cannot be ground fired.

[Mel_Gibson]

Wasn't one of the conditions of that 1v1 that Viba has to approve all of your balance posts?

[Lieutenant Lich]

No, Swol, it was not.