3709 feedback thread

[JaggedAppliance]

Hello Commanders!

Today we released a new balance patch, patch 3709. Patchnotes can be found here: http://content.faforever.com/patchnotes/3709.html

The 2 main issues dealt with in this patch are the partial removal of the snipemode mechanic and the nerfing of the mongoose/shield combo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGoWIdhbk3w



~ The balance team

[LabPunk]

I think most changes are good, does this mean advanced target priorities will be banned?

Think the wagner hp nerf is a shame, and it would benefit gameplay more to bring t2 float closer to regular t2 tank firepower instead.
Or even add actual diversity to t2 tanks,
blaze t2 aurora -> range 32, speed -> 2.2
Yenzine aoe weapon
kind of things.
T2 is already near dead on team games, so it would be nice if it were zhuzh-ed up, as long as static shields and pd won't be nerfed.

[JaggedAppliance]

No that mod won't be banned and it should be noted that it's not possible to use ui mods to get ACU target priority back.

[mr_blastman]

The wagner nerf is ridiculous. They're already useless underwater with their abysmal DPS, so their only saving grace was their usefulness on land, but that was now nerfed.

Why do you hate the wagner so much? Cybran are dead if they're kicked out of the sea.

[Little Miss Murder]

Apparently the red is due to rust and Cybran are supposed to stay away from water.

[keyser]

it wasn't written in the patchnotes, but the sonar nerf on frigates is a direct buff to wagner. Here we see our favourite cybran nation coming back to what it does best : sneaky gameplay !

[Wesmania]

Are there any plans for changes to beetles? They are apparently good versus t2 armies right now, but I hardly ever see them used.

[keyser]

for now we keep the actual design (the buff will maybe make people use them). But other design have been already made for replacement in the case the unit still not get used. Several different kind of buff that have been talked about, and we coded some already.

[armacham01]

Restore snipe mode. People who are fast clickers can still alternate between moving units in small groups and targeting the ACU. All you have done is taken one of the most fun parts of the game (killing an enemy ACU when you have your units in the right place) and turned it into a chore.

The wagner movement speed nerf makes sense but the hit points nerf does not. Wagners already had unfavorable dps/hp compared to rhinos, which made sense because of their nice speed. There's no need to make them even weaker. I often like to use wagners instead of rhinos because the trade-off was worth it. But now that is less feasible. I will have to re-evaluate whether it makes sense to use them. Certainly against T2 tanks they make less sense. Maybe they are still worth using against T1.

[Farmsletje]

Restore snipe mode. People who are fast clickers can still alternate between moving units in small groups and targeting the ACU. All you have done is taken one of the most fun parts of the game (killing an enemy ACU when you have your units in the right place) and turned it into a chore.

yeah just ask around how fun snipemode on acu's was :imfine:

The wagner movement speed nerf makes sense but the hit points nerf does not. Wagners already had unfavorable dps/hp compared to rhinos, which made sense because of their nice speed. There's no need to make them even weaker. I often like to use wagners instead of rhinos because the trade-off was worth it. But now that is less feasible. I will have to re-evaluate whether it makes sense to use them. Certainly against T2 tanks they make less sense. Maybe they are still worth using against T1.

Doesn't matter that wagners have unfavorable dps compared to rhino's. They are not a main tank, they are a raid unit and one of the most efficient ones in the game at that. The fact that you used them wrongly doesn't mean the change doesn't make sense.