Why the Aeon Sacrifice feature does not work for ACU

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Re: Why the Aeon Sacrifice feature does not work for ACU

Postby Strogo » 26 Oct 2019, 12:36

Mass/energy ratio is different. There is not enough energy in RAS sacu to convert all available mass into Para.

Para cost 250k mass and 7500k energy. Ras sacu 6.5k/117k * 0.9 = 5.85/105 (sacrifice multiplier 0.9 for sacu, 0.6 for engies)

In terms of mass you can get: 5.85/250 * 100% = 2.34% of para
Energy: 105/7500 * 100% = 1.4%

So in the end 1 sacu gives 1.4% and all unused mass dissapears. Pretty weird and unintuitive system I should say, but at least it's 100% bug/abuse-free :D
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Re: Why the Aeon Sacrifice feature does not work for ACU

Postby Plasma_Wolf » 26 Oct 2019, 14:38

So each SCU contributes 90% of the mass cost and 90% of the energy cost into the building? And then both mass and energy cost have to be satisfied in the end?
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Re: Why the Aeon Sacrifice feature does not work for ACU

Postby AdmiralZeech » 26 Oct 2019, 16:30

Maybe there should be a conversion of unused mass / energy into the other resource, at a extremely poor exchange rate, so that at least it's not a total waste :)
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Re: Why the Aeon Sacrifice feature does not work for ACU

Postby speed2 » 26 Oct 2019, 17:52

Fixed in some certain mod but there's not retard to tell you anymore
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Re: Why the Aeon Sacrifice feature does not work for ACU

Postby LabPunk » 26 Oct 2019, 22:43

ACU's have too great a power cost ATM for sacrifice to make any sense at all to heal it.
It also has a great build time, so in your formula it would heal almost based on mass only.
I feel though, that healing an acu some HP per t1 engie would be be OP. HP on your acu, especially in ladder games are essentially a resource, and this would give Aeon an unfair way of attaining that resource in a way the faction isn't meant to.
Depending on the calculation it becomes either useless, or OP.
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Re: Why the Aeon Sacrifice feature does not work for ACU

Postby ZeRen » 27 Oct 2019, 11:39

LabPunk wrote:ACU's have too great a power cost ATM for sacrifice to make any sense at all to heal it.
It also has a great build time, so in your formula it would heal almost based on mass only.
I feel though, that healing an acu some HP per t1 engie would be be OP. HP on your acu, especially in ladder games are essentially a resource, and this would give Aeon an unfair way of attaining that resource in a way the faction isn't meant to.
Depending on the calculation it becomes either useless, or OP.


so engies healing ACU is OP, but the fakt that, Cyb ACU has no shileld or nano, while other ACUs do + some can even have T2 on top of it, is ok???

engies cost money and build time of facts, you know
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Re: Why the Aeon Sacrifice feature does not work for ACU

Postby LabPunk » 28 Oct 2019, 21:10

ZeRen wrote:so engies healing ACU is OP, but the fakt that, Cyb ACU has no shileld or nano, while other ACUs do + some can even have T2 on top of it, is ok???

No it's not, it's not okay.
The only people who don't seem to think that the Cybran ACU is underpowered seem to be the balance mods. I don't see why you bring up Cybran ACU though.
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ZeRen wrote:engies cost money and build time of facts, you know

Sacrifice isn't meant to be mass effective, but rather TIME effective.
Aeon ACU's are shield based, giving Aeon the ability to insta regen their health before heavy personal shield becomes available would be unbalanceable.
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Re: Why the Aeon Sacrifice feature does not work for ACU

Postby techmind_ » 03 Feb 2020, 08:45

Sacrifice should be 81% like a reclaiming unit (or maybe 0.75, so instant-use time is somewhat effective). Currently, it is just more effective to reclaim your own t1 engies to get mass back, which seems weird if the unit has a 'specialized ability' to actually give his mass&energy back. Essentially this is a way to add build points from factories with mass/energy discount, but 40% discount seems too much to be useful.
Factory can produce 3 engies of appropriate level (which will equals its buildpower) in ~1.1 minutes (40 seconds if engies assist ).
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