Thomy100 wrote:Yeah, your contributions were FULL of researched and well thought out arguments.
You don't need to try and put this back on me mate, the onus is on you to provide reasons as to why there needs to be a change. I am otherwise contented with the patch, and every other person in the thread is already pointing out, for a lack of a friendly term: the things you get wrong because you're bad at the game.
Thomy100 wrote:I believe I made some fairly good points during the course of this discussion and also provided research and numbers about why I believe this balance patch went too far with buffing the Scathis and why Seraphims should get more love.
You didn't.
Point 1: "Seraphim pick rate is too low (in the 1200 bracket specifically)" The closest thing to a statistic you brought up is that you "thought it could be statistically proven", which is ancedotal. You then assert it as the truth on page 9.
You can find a "games played by faction and rating" statistic on page nine of the FAF stats thread, which is a 5 second search away.
http://forums.faforever.com/viewtopic.p ... 80#p167079Not only is seraphim not underplayed, it's even played more than cybran (which you deem is overplayed) in your rating bracket.
I'm aware the data is now old, if you would like to provide actual evidence to prove that this is no longer relevant, and why that correlates to a specific balance change, go ahead.
Point 2: The Scathis is overpowered (compared to the Yolona OSS)You mention on page three that a Scathis is overpowered because it destroys "a base with 22 Seraphim T3 shields in 2 volleys."
The cost of the new Scathis (source: patchnotes) is 220000 mass.
The cost of 22 Athanuhthe (source: spookydb & rackoverdb) is 3600 x 22 = 79200 mass.
You state that because a scathis destroys 36% percent of it's mass investment in shields (with no comparisons to other game enders or replays to prove that this causes a problem) it is overpowered.
You state on page 6 that "Yes, the Yolona cost's less mass but these 60% more Energy it cost's than a Marvor is fuckin insane."
I think you intentionally fail to stress the mass difference.
The mass cost of the Scathis is again, 220000
The mass cost of the Yolona OSS is (source: rackoverdb) 187700
That's a difference of 32300 mass, which allows for an extra 9 Athanuhthe or 10 T3 Pgens to match the investment.
You state later that "Yolona is double the price of Marvor"
The Yolona costs 37100 less mass than the "marvor" which allows for 10 and a third T3 Shields or a little under 11 T3 pgens.
If you would like to state as to why you cannot equalise the additional energy costs with this mass difference, explain why and with a replay.
You state that you don't need to shield a Scathis if you build it under the water.
That's false, you can attack a scathis in deep water with the entire arsenal of seraphim torpedo weapons, which a scathis cannot be defended against.
For shallow waters, the Scathis will still likely take damage from any form of AOE weapon including all game enders, which also likely cannot be defended against.
In either case, being on the enemy side of the map or "bay" is irrelevant, investment in defences is the same irrespective of map location.
You assert these claims as true again on page 9, despite not having provided any evidence of their imbalance. You only stated their statistics (which the balance team already know, clearly) and ancedotal evidence, which doesn't hold any weight as a 1000 rated player.
You also, to my amusement, state that the Hoplite is not underpowered because it lacks shields, because it has Counter inteligence boats and Salems.
The Hoplite is a land unit and cannot benefit from the use of a Counter Inteligence boat or a Salem in most cases. It does of course have the Deceiver.
In the middle of your self destruction on page 11, you mention that the Yathsou cannot be a sniper because it doesnt fire a single, powerful torpedo.
You then insult UnorthodoxBox and tell him to look up the definition of sniping on google.
That definition is: "the action of shooting at someone from a hiding place, especially accurately and at long range."
The defintion makes no mention of the power of the weapon or the total munitions fired per salvo.
So if you would like to actually put in some time to provide reasons as to why your ancedotal claims are the truth, and make an attempt to repair your reputation with the balance team/wider high level community that are now making fun of you behind your back, feel free to go ahead and do that. Otherwise, i would rather you refrained.