Balance Mod For 1v1 and global

[Morax]

I don't really have specifics to discuss, but would it be possible that 1v1 and ladder matches have its own balance and team games have its own?

It seems to me, the two are quite different in terms of what units and meta is used, so maybe a solution to all the bitching about what does what would be relieved - not resolved - by addressing issues that exist in the separate arenas.

[moonbearonmeth]

As a mod, yes.

[Morax]

A ranked mod!

*self likes*

[Endranii]

*Cries in Bhedit*

[biass]

S-s-sorry we uh we can't, there's a uh you know uhh a server bug.

[Apofenas]

EQ as official ladder balance confirmed?

Oh also additional balance mods for setons, for wonder, for gap and for thermo! And don't forget about Phantom-X... oh wair, we have 4 already.

[PhilipJFry]

yes it would be possible and fairly easy to do on a technical level
but you will need to convince the council that it's a good idea in the first place

[Morax]

yes it would be possible and fairly easy to do on a technical level
but you will need to convince the council that it's a good idea in the first place

What would this require? Popular demand, eg, collecting enough statements from players they like the idea; a written proposal showing the needs with examples; beg?

Commando, what say you?

[Apofenas]

Oh wait, were you actually serious on that? I thought that was a joke considering the amount of facts you bring for that in initial post.

First of all, it would only create a barrier between ladder and team game players. Probably ladder suffers most from that since more~less experienced team game players would learn to play whole new balance in addition to unfamiliar 1v1 meta. That would just scare away those few people who try to play 1v1 instead of gap for a change. You may never fill custom 1v1 since it is considered as global game mode and ladder players may avoid something unfamiliar to them

Just imagine this salt:

"I had to wait for fcking 30 minutes and got matched against 1500 being 0 rated, i even had chance to win him but than i realised unit A is shit in ladder and unit B is OP AF! WTFJAGGEDWTFWTFWTF?????"

I mentioned there are plenty of balance mods for phantom. PhXModAlpha created a whole cult of hive-addicted people who can't play without engy stations. If they don't see hives in aeon unit selection, they whine with "There is a r e a s o n hives were given all factions!!" and rage quit to ruin game rehost with their precious mod. Although the actual reason is inability of 800 rated phantom to plan his eco 1 min ahead

It may not sound bad now for a couple of differences, but how much different game modes would be in 3 years? Probably not that much considering the amount of patches our balance team releases. Ladder rating must reflect player's ability to play the game and it is usually accurate for team games atm.

Speaking of units. Which areas of balance are so badly balanced that you need to create different balances for 1v1 and team games? Can you even name something? May be that should probably be brought to balance team in a first place so they try to fix that first?

Oh, also don't forget to mention some other real time strategies which used such balance split for 1v1 and team games. Is this even common practice for popular successful games? ...cough...for any games?

With that said.
No, thanks.

[Morax]

Apofenas, I would not really propose anything too drastically different from what is current. I feel the idea can be explored where certain things like the previous balance is reverted, with the exception that t3 land/ air and exps have a large increase in build time.

Also, when I play 1v1 it's nothing like a team game, so the mindset is different already. I mean, how often do you see mmls in 1v1 anyways? People don't tend to make giant fire bases, but rather opt for shields and defense around a commander to protect against snipes.

In the end, I think nerfing t3 land was a poor move, while the actual problem was easy access to that tier level. Of course, t3 air and exp access needs to be a higher cost - whether that be with time or resources - to help offset the tier 3 land delay.

I don't think any unit in particular is crazy OP in current spare maybe pillars being too cheap.

I'm open to others thoughts on this and appreciate your input, Apofenas.