Balance patch 3696 Feedback Thread

[Blue_Owl]

What? Is rewarding micro copyrighted or something? Is it bad for FAF gameplay?

Yes its bad. Because tactical part of the game should stay over micro and apm thing. I know, at 2k+ levels tactics is alwyas nearly perfect so the gameplay comes to micro and apm only. But not everyone is 2k. And looks like balance team doesnt take us into account. If I do better eco, better raiding and better tech than my oppounent, I should win battle of my 5 harbs vs his 3. With this balance it becomes questionable.

Is the /s there because you know the comparison is retarded and you're preemptively poking fun at the people holding that opinion?

Since when its hard to understand /s? I just liked how 2 range difference pretends to be an advantage and "kiting is now very important".

If you thought loyalist was balanced, you're the meme.

Loyalist wasnt balanced. But dont make it a new titan. It would be good, if they left stun ability for ACU and T4, but applied all hp/damage changes.

[Farmsletje]

The game is balanced for good players, not bad players.

[Turinturambar]

I know, at 2k+ levels tactics is alwyas nearly perfect so the gameplay comes to micro and apm only.

better make that 2.4k+ cuz on 2k you still easily find mass overflow massive e stalls and ppl doing ridicolously inefficient things.

[biass]

I know, at 2k+ levels tactics is alwyas nearly perfect so the gameplay comes to micro and apm only.

balance in 2018 omegalul

[Yolo-]

HI,

Omen is broken op now, clearly overbuffed. I suggest to take either the speed and maneuverability buff or the range buff. I prefer to keep the range buff, because the Omen already is better to micro than other bs and making it even faster is kind of absurd for a bs.

As for shieldboats: they are clearly overnerfed right now, with this UEF navy would be the weakest by far. I suggest to try a damage overspill of like 25 - 30% first, and remove the recharge increase. If that is still too much, you can nerf the shield boat more.

ALSO: I suggest you look at Washy's code for new decay function!

[Myxir]

asked to upload the test mod (attached), install as usual

overspill works as usual, except that the spilled damage is decaying linearly over distance
example:



the rightmost shield was damaged, nothing else hit them
for test purposes i set it to 100% overspill, so it's easier to see something with the small bars

edit:
i should mention that i have not tested this with any other shield than shieldboats, i guess it will severely buff other mobile shields.
it should also affect stationary shields (another buff), their overspill multiplier might need a second look

[Chosen]

Time to unistall FA

[Viba]

As for shieldboats: they are clearly overnerfed right now, with this UEF navy would be the weakest by far. I suggest to try a damage overspill of like 25 - 30% first, and remove the recharge increase. If that is still too much, you can nerf the shield boat more.

3696: T2 aeon destro shooting at 17 shields -> 9540 total damage
Pre 3696: T2 aeon destro shooting at 17 shields -> 3604 total damage

The shields don't even need to be that close and are even further apart than a late game UEF navy composition would look like. That is only one aeon destroyer, now imagine a full post 25 min navy shooting at the shields how much more damage they take overall, if amount of shields increase the multiplier just goes up. Add the slower recharge time on top of that and you have waaay too nerfed shields.

Also the damage propagation is in my opinion quite bad, would be better with something like in Washy's example, calculate a static amount of damage from the initial hit and divide it to overlapping shields linearly based on distance or something. Now if you place a long line of shields with the direction away from the damage source basically all of them take the 50% damage, see the pic below, add shields below or above and you just increase the total amount of damage.

[JoonasTo]

Two points I'd like to point out regarding the mobile shield discussion:

- The linear decay function from Washy uses the shield generator location(the position of the unit) not the position of the impact on the shield to calculate the distance for the decay. This is problematic in a situation where the target is in the middle of the shields. Like say, unit assisted by a bunch of mobile shields or an SMD/game ender surrounded by shield gens.

- The Bulwark's shield dome is ridiculously large below water(where only bottom crawlers are affected,) this is what causes the horrible overspill like in Viba's example. If the other mobile shields are fine, the Bulwark shield dome shape/size should be changed, not the spillover value.

[Ecthelon]

Yet more weakening of commanders is still not the way to go. Their unique presence on the battlefield makes the game more interesting, and these patches keep suppressing that.

Loyalists not stunning experimentals or commanders any more seems ill thought through. Mobile ways to counter experimentals are sparse and there really is a very short list of t3 units its worth using the stun on.

Is anyone actually asking for most of these changes?