Reasonable T3 Change Feedback

[FtXCommando]

No really, why was sniper bot given +1100 hp for 80 extra mass while keeping damage, range, speed, etc the same?

Am I expected to counter them with t2 arty creep? They were already annoying as balls to deal with in current balance and now percy/brick are getting hp decreased by 25% while snipers gets 350% increase? What the f***.

Also I'm not really sure why bricks seem to be equal/slightly stronger than percivals now. They get extra hp, extra speed, extra dps for same cost. Granted, the percival has the advantage of alpha damage and that does give it the advantage in some situations. However, the percival was supposed to be a class above even the brick due to the lack of a direct fire experimental from the UEF. The Cybran have what is effectively a percival while having the cheap ML as well as the monster mega.

I'm kind of disappointed in the decision to make the siege tank just a harb 2.0. I figured phim was in a unique place in the t3 game because their t3 relied heavily on creating an "optimal mix." Rather than going the easy way of making the siege tank into another harb, I would have hoped that the balance would have focused on creating a tool to allow the siege tank to push into range of other t3 units. This would have focused on making their t3 mobile shield cost less constant e (-100? -150?) so that they had the hp to get in and use their major dps. Hell, it would finally give the absolver some purpose in a game other than being a meme weapon.

Also I thought people were against making the titan a carbon copy of the loyalist? Did everyone decide to change their mind about that or something?

From what I gathered in this balance patch, the t3 stage goes roughly like this now:

Titan = Loyalist < Harb = Siege Tank < Percy = Brick

No idea where to put snipers because they kind of seem totally fucked right now.

[Evan_]

Also while we're at it, who had the bright idea to remove loyalists stunning ACU/EXP? Loyalists are supposed to snipe ACU/T4 with their EMP burst.

[Exotic_Retard]

balance terrorists peeking around the corner ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Blackheart]

Easy answer: BHedit.

[FtXCommando]

balance terrorists peeking around the corner ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Is not getting your shitposts deleted one of the privileges of being a moderator?

[Yakmann]

Where can we view these changes? It's not in the current beta.

[PsychoBoB]

Easy answer: BHedit.

Did you do a T3 land rework in BHedit?

[Petricpwnz]

No really, why was sniper bot given +1100 hp for 80 extra mass while keeping damage, range, speed, etc the same?

Am I expected to counter them with t2 arty creep? They were already annoying as balls to deal with in current balance and now percy/brick are getting hp decreased by 25% while snipers gets 350% increase? What the f***.

I haven't even looked in the direction of snipers yet. Calm your tits.

Also I'm not really sure why bricks seem to be equal/slightly stronger than percivals now. They get extra hp, extra speed, extra dps for same cost. Granted, the percival has the advantage of alpha damage and that does give it the advantage in some situations. However, the percival was supposed to be a class above even the brick due to the lack of a direct fire experimental from the UEF. The Cybran have what is effectively a percival while having the cheap ML as well as the monster mega.

Disregarding titan brick is by far the worst t3 unit in current faf and also is far from the best in current alpha, and yes percival is still a lot better than brick, and no it's not "supposed" to be that way. DonT HaVE DIreCT fiRe T4 LanD doesn't directly correlate to percies having a necessity to be the braindead strongest t3 unit (which it still is).

I'm kind of disappointed in the decision to make the siege tank just a harb 2.0. I figured phim was in a unique place in the t3 game because their t3 relied heavily on creating an "optimal mix." Rather than going the easy way of making the siege tank into another harb, I would have hoped that the balance would have focused on creating a tool to allow the siege tank to push into range of other t3 units. This would have focused on making their t3 mobile shield cost less constant e (-100? -150?) so that they had the hp to get in and use their major dps. Hell, it would finally give the absolver some purpose in a game other than being a meme weapon.

Actually at the moment it's exactly the opposite, harb is pulled closer to how siege tank is and im considering options of moving it back without hindering the balance. You people want dynamic balance where some units can't win vs others unless have good unit mix but then we do that and we will get a billion balance forum threads saying how othuums suck. I'm a big fan of dynamic balance where all units are totally different and in different situations can come as completely OP or UP but faf game design and cancerous pathfinding simply don't allow for much variance. You are however free to suggest something exact.
F.I. in current faf othuum completely crushes close range but sucks total ass vs any kiting, but everyone just complains about the unit being shit even tho it's much more balanced than they think.

Also I thought people were against making the titan a carbon copy of the loyalist? Did everyone decide to change their mind about that or something?

Who are "people" exactly? xD Well surely not me.

From what I gathered in this balance patch, the t3 stage goes roughly like this now:

Titan = Loyalist < Harb = Siege Tank < Percy = Brick

No idea where to put snipers because they kind of seem totally fucked right now.

Not exactly, I will make a full vid explaining new roles and dynamic of each t3 unit once the patch is more refined and at least in beta preferably close to release. And yes snipers are fucked cause they weren't touched yet.

The patch direction isn't mine but I will carry it to be finished without massive cancer imbalances even if it means shifting the "feel" of some units slightly, if you want to have some unit role different you are free to suggest but please consider the effect the changes you propose will have on all other matchups and how it can (and probably will) ruin the balance.

[Farmsletje]

Give spearheads heatseaking missiles please *___*

[IceDreamer]

If anything in the OP is correct and official, my faith in the balance team just went down into a whole 'nother hole. I mean... You don't have to be even literate to tell they're all terrible ideas. The sort that shouldn't have been entertained even for an alpha.

I also have not seen any of this go through GitHub. Frankly I'm fed up to the hilt with Balance progression being the only part of FAF still effectively hidden from the community. Will have a word with Jagged.

As an example of some constructive feedback, here, let me put a nail in some appalling reasoning.

F.I. in current faf othuum completely crushes close range but sucks total ass vs any kiting, but everyone just complains about the unit being shit even tho it's much more balanced than they think.

And so it seems the answer decided on was to change that idea, as the complaints over Othuum were taken to mean the idea of a unit weak to kiting but kickass up close is bad. That's poor logic. The Othuum isn't bad because "Strong up close but weak to kiting" is a bad plan, it's weak because the implementation of the plan was poor. Othuum doesn't have the tools or ability to get into close range, barring an enemy mistake. Additionally, it's not that much stronger if it does.

A less controversial, more profitable, likely easier to accept and balance method to move forward would be to ask "What does Othuum need to make the original plan function?". The answer could be any of more speed, higher DPS, more variable weapon ranges between primary and secondary, unique weapon coding (Lightning tank for example), speed boost ability...