Non-Cybrans desperately needs something for sinky crap

[Mel_Gibson]

I'm throwing this out there in the hopes that it will generate discussion, and if I'm wrong about it, to learn something.

On maps like high noon, Cybran are able to put you under pressure from the get T2. Masses of sinky wagners can attack you from any angle and you are forced to (ineffectually) invest in PD and your own land units, which play no further part in the game. Sure, sub spam is expensive but you can't outspam wagners and the enemy units can retreat to land for safety, nullifying your sub investment. Since that land will usually be your side of the map, the threat is not eliminated in the least, you might not have built subs at all.

Yes, factions have torp def which work well against paper t2 sinkycrap, but you need naval superiority for it to not be an expensive counter. And cheap Cybran frigates make it a non-proposition.

The situation is even worse with maps like CookieNoob's Assdistressa or whatever it's called. Winning your aquatic part of the map with sub spam is once again expensive and its utility is limited since you can't use those subs elsewhere. To defend against Cybran T2 sinkycrap, you have to have a tonne of torp def, and destroyers are the only way to defend against incursions and still have that mass investment useful on the other side of the map. Even then it's quite easy to be out spammed and since the passage of water is narrow, your pgen HQ is very vulnerable.

The hover is supposed to be the fluffy counterpart of sinky T2, but while it is a counterpart, it isn't a counter. They are essentially immune to each other but at least the enemy has the advantage of being able to use frigates to defend. Non-Cybrans do not have that ability. While they are protected from land based defence, hovering engies are immune from their attacks and keeping a shipyard alive is totally irrelevant.

There is a gaping hole in the non-Cybran lineup and while I'm not complaining about overall balance, they are at a big disadvantage on close-in maps where water is part of the strategic, ahem, landscape. Playing as non-Cybran on those maps is an exercise in tooth enamel preservation.

PS while I'm shamelessly making demands, can we have amusing balance threads please? Thanks.

[Zeldafanboy]

its unfair that only Cybran Destroyers can walk on land they get lonely

I propose that every Cybran naval unit gets legs so they can be a happy family

[IceDreamer]

Mantis should be able to jump up and ride Salems over oceans like little shoulder pets. That'll give them a ride across the pond, and stops the Salems feeling all lonely.

[nine2]

It is ok for the destroyers to feel lonely but other factions should get some sort of negative emotions as well

[Nepty]

Someone needs a (slow) flying destroyer. I would say UEF, but it doesn't match their style. That's a really crappy destroyer by the way.

[Exotic_Retard]

Mantis should be able to jump up and ride Salems over oceans like little shoulder pets. That'll give them a ride across the pond, and stops the Salems feeling all lonely.

lovely. i think its a great idea. just imagine:

[Ars Nova]

I propose nerfing Cybran building HP to make them weaker to raiding and sniping, giving them the worst T2 PD, providing an inconvenient shield for late game, and buffing every other factions' MMLs to reduce Cybran's relative advantage. After that, maybe nerf Monkeylord, nerf the Corsair, remove the Jester, and nerf frigates.

Finally, remove the Cybran's ability to build radar, because we want to promote faction diversity, and since Cybran's stealth generators are literally unstoppable, it's only fair that Cybran shouldn't have radar at all. And if somebody comes into a thread asking why we did all this. Say it with me.

F.A.C.T.I.O.N D.I.V.E.R.S.I.T.Y.

It would be wrong to have a more sensible argument than "factional diversity".

[Zeldafanboy]

Mantis should be able to jump up and ride Salems over oceans like little shoulder pets. That'll give them a ride across the pond, and stops the Salems feeling all lonely.

lovely. i think its a great idea. just imagine:

Now that's just fucking adorable.

[biass]

We need to up the dps of the cybran air freshener, mass to mass the tanks of the other factions have waaay cleaner interiors compared to cybran, and that disadvantage is already affected by cybran getting sweaty having to run around everywhere, ever since i started playing cybran i had to smuggle an extra can of Lynx body spray into the pilot compartment just to be level with the other factions, and then chemicals gave me a headache! causing me to lose and lose all of my ratings
i would love to not be affected by this disadvantage and finally get back to my true rating of 2300, please consider

[Lieutenant Lich]

I propose nerfing Cybran building HP to make them weaker to raiding and sniping, giving them the worst T2 PD, providing an inconvenient shield for late game, and buffing every other factions' MMLs to reduce Cybran's relative advantage. After that, maybe nerf Monkeylord, nerf the Corsair, remove the Jester, and nerf frigates.

Finally, remove the Cybran's ability to build radar, because we want to promote faction diversity, and since Cybran's stealth generators are literally unstoppable, it's only fair that Cybran shouldn't have radar at all. And if somebody comes into a thread asking why we did all this. Say it with me.

F.A.C.T.I.O.N D.I.V.E.R.S.I.T.Y.

It would be wrong to have a more sensible argument than "factional diversity".

After we do all that, can we also shut you up?