Cybran desperately needs something for floaty crap

[Lieutenant Lich]

Cybran frig is the cheapest and the best, their destroyer has the highest range and 2nd best DPS and 2nd best anti-sub capabilities, their cruiser is fucking OP in 1v1 fights against other cruisers since it has Salem's gun + nanodarts, What more do you want on cybran navy? at t1/t2?

[speed2]

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[ZeRen]

Cybran frig is the cheapest and the best, their destroyer has the highest range and 2nd best DPS and 2nd best anti-sub capabilities, their cruiser is fucking OP in 1v1 fights against other cruisers since it has Salem's gun + nanodarts, What more do you want on cybran navy? at t1/t2?

do you see many cruisers fight each other? no? I wonder why

their cruiser is fucking OP in 1v1 fights against other cruisers

ah this made me laugh so much you dont build cruiser to fight navy, but for AA defence, you know it kill planes

OP in 1v1 fights against other cruisers? GOOD , because it is shit at killing planes, you know worst cruiser

[TheKoopa]

Aeon destro and cybran destro have same range

[Nepty]

That Salem AA... That's the real joke.

Cybran cruiser is a pretend Salem. Traded its legs, torpedoes, and torpedo defense for a zapper, a nanite launcher, and refueling pad.
That rare moment when your renegade lands on your cruiser.

I feel all warm and fuzzy when I observed that event. I'm surprised UEF's destroyer didn't have the landing pad at the rear. Most real life destroyers do. Obviously I just wanted to land a stinger back there.

[Farmsletje]

I didn't know cybrans had cruisers

[Iszh]

Cybran got 3600 mass aircraft carriers which can direct fire with starting corsairs. Thats the real cybran cruisers. Those weird t2 carriers with slow motion anti air rockets are for ......... no idea.

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[Gitaxian]

I won't pretend to know the balance of the game better than other people, or that there's an actual balance issue here. What I do disagree with is the use of "faction diversity" to defend it.

There are three types of faction diversity:
Positive diversity is when a faction has a capability unique to them. The UEF are the only ones with T3 point defense, for example.
Parallel diversity is when every faction has the same capabilities, but with some slight differences. Most units in Supcom have equivalents across all factions, even if they all have slightly different stats.
Negative diversity is when a faction lacks a capability all the others have. In this case, the Cybran are the only ones lacking a hover unit.

Any of these can be balanced, but negative diversity isn't fun. That said, there are solutions that don't involve adding a hover unit to Cybran and still solve the problem. For example, to create Positive diversity, rework the Riptide so that instead of hovering it either sinks like the Wagner or acts as a surface naval unit vulnerable to torpedoes, thus making hover unique to Aeon and Seraphim. Of course, the difficulty of balancing changes might outweigh the improvement in player experience, but it's at least worth considering.

[FtXCommando]

Your positive diversity is the unique tank that doesn't float for Cybran players.

[IceDreamer]

An interesting point, but talking in purely game design terms as you are, where does one draw the line between a faction having a negative diversity element, and two factions having parallel resultant diversity when one aspect of negative diversity is directly compensated by an aspect of positive diversity.

Cybran does not have T2 Hover
Nobody other than Cybran has T2 seabed assault/sneak capability

It can be argued that Wagners are actually better, fundamentally, than the three hovertanks, for actually winning the game. They are fast, strong, and sneaky AF, which is what Cybran are all about. Is the Wagner a lack of a Hovertank, or is it a unique unit. Should the other factions be given sneaky bottom-huggers?