How to nerf Cybran

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How to nerf Cybran

Postby Nepty » 17 Mar 2017, 00:35

Apply Mantis Nerf please.

If you saying "omg another mantis thread." Maybe you should think about why these threads keep appearing.

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I've been screaming that since GPG was still alive.
Set mantis at 250 HP. That way Seraphim Tech one bomber can 'one shot' it. Mantis can be made cheaper if needed, or given a faster rate of fire and turret turn speed if necessary. Remember UEF and Seraphim must go to tech 2 land to completely counter mantis spam. Cybran forces you to play a tower defense game if you don't tech up as UEF/Sera.

If Cybran needs a nerf so bad, I strongly suggest altering the mantis in some way. That unit was always the problem. Moving at Mach 3 while other faction tanks crawl slowly across the battlefield. Speed is very important in FA, especially when everything moves so slow in this game. Huge maps just makes it worse. (Mr. Taylor should have gave Seraphim the tech 1 gunship instead of being a Cybran fanboy.)

I'm looking at this from a 1vs1 point of view. I don't care for anything team related. Although I know none of this will never happen.

I'm very disappointed it took 8 years for FAF to notice Cybran was too strong. In the distant past I repeatedly warned you guys about it under a different classified account. Everyone laughed at me. Who's laughing now? FAF community didn't see the problem until it was too late.

Funny how the Seraphim T2 Assault bot was repeatedly nerfed into oblivion by FAF a few years back. Harbinger rush somewhat nerfed. Cybran's​ most strongest area, their tech one remains untouchable for some odd reason.

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Why is Cybran's tech 1 so strong? It was because the T2 Rhino tank was inferior other T2 tanks in 3599. Then 3603 fixed it without thinking.

Why is Aeon's tech 1 so strong? Their tech 2 land is laughable, and darn near skipped completely if possible. ( At least most people think so ).

Why is UEF tech 3 so strong? Their experimental units are just support units and not 'real' experimentals. All other tech levels are mediocre at best. (The T2 Pillar only got good a few years ago.)

Cybran: Excellent tech 1, tech 2 is great, tech 3 is okay, and tech 4 is great. Notice how Cybran doesn't have a crappy, horrid tech level like the other factions? Everyone else gets a dud tech level except Cybran. Seraphim gets 3 dud tech levels, just tech 2 is epic.


Thankfully Jagged Appliance is doing a great job at FAF. I'm sure he'll do what's right. He's very open minded, logical, and understands the game better than me obviously. I understand a mantis change will be too controversial, but some units changes are needed somewhere. Eventually. This thread is just my personal opinion. What do you guys think?
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Re: How to nerf Cybran

Postby Wesmania » 17 Mar 2017, 00:58

Some thoughts:
  • I don't really see how nerfing mantis health to 250 makes it any weaker if you make it cheaper to compensate (since otherwise it becomes the worst t1 tanks for actual engagements by far). Being one-shottable by Sera bombers doesn't feel like a big deal, and sera bombers can be easily microed around anyway.
  • The cybran weakness at t2 is having no mid-game commander upgrades and no shields -> paper ACU that is incapable of stopping another faction's midgame commander push. Debatable how much it matters in 1v1s, but I don't care about anything 1v1 related.
  • Percivals counter T3 and land T4s, they're maybe even with GCs and Megas. Fatty only compliments that by hiding behind Percival spam. That makes UEF really strong both at T3 and T4 land.
Although I know none of this will never happen.

Who's laughing now?

He's very open minded, logical, and understands the game better than me obviously.

I know it's wrong to criticize the tone, but you're baiting for a flamewar here.
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Re: How to nerf Cybran

Postby Gorton » 17 Mar 2017, 01:11

Wes, just ignore him (actually that goes for everyone, please just don't reply :D )
It's like bait, but he actually believes it
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Re: How to nerf Cybran

Postby Mad`Mozart » 17 Mar 2017, 02:06

Nepty wrote:Apply Mantis Nerf please.

Are you playing EQ balance or what?
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Re: How to nerf Cybran

Postby speed2 » 17 Mar 2017, 02:07

Gorton wrote:Wes, just ignore him (actually that goes for everyone, please just don't reply :D )
It's like bait, but he actually believes it

yeah LIKE bait post :D
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Re: How to nerf Cybran

Postby Nepty » 17 Mar 2017, 02:18

Yeah well I've been here well over 8 eight years. Nothing I posted was a lie. It's not about flaming, and it's about listening.

Wesmania wrote:Some thoughts:
  • I don't really see how nerfing mantis health to 250 makes it any weaker if you make it cheaper to compensate (since otherwise it becomes the worst t1 tanks for actual engagements by far). Being one-shottable by Sera bombers doesn't feel like a big deal, and sera bombers can be easily microed around anyway.
  • The cybran weakness at t2 is having no mid-game commander upgrades and no shields -> paper ACU that is incapable of stopping another faction's midgame commander push. Debatable how much it matters in 1v1s, but I don't care about anything 1v1 related.
  • Percivals counter T3 and land T4s, they're maybe even with GCs and Megas. Fatty only compliments that by hiding behind Percival spam. That makes UEF really strong both at T3 and T4 land.


Okay. Great response. Did you know Fatboy is easily countered by a few tech 2 artillery?

I'll answer my own quotes:

Although I know none of this will never happen.

It won't happen. How you guys losing your cool over simple HP changes. A unit change of that magnitude will cause massive backlash and constant whining. Quote is true. The Mantis is he most untouchable unit in this game. It just won't be altered.

Who's laughing now?

It was me by the way. Why, because for 6 years straight Cybran received small buffs every patch. I advised against it. From a slight Medusa buff to the underwater scathis. Remember when the scathis was cheaper than a Disruptor? Only Cybran was allowed to get away with stupid stuff like that. Remember when the Cerberus lasers were altered heavily and even completely changed to correct its dps? That long journey of blind stupid buffing ended up giving us 'Super Cybran.' "OMG what happened? Why is everyone just playing Cybran?" It was like a train wreck that took 6 years for people to notice.
Gotta point it out. Don't care who gets mad. You guys were warned constantly, and ignored me. Now Cybran has glass buildings and it's justified.

He's very open minded, logical, and understands the game better than me obviously.

This is true. Why was this quoted? 1500-1600 is my global rating. I'm no professional, but I understand simple game design. Jagged Appliance is doing an excellent job. I actually get excited now when new patch notes are posted. I haven't been this excited for FAF since 2012.
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Re: How to nerf Cybran

Postby FtXCommando » 17 Mar 2017, 06:07

Nepty wrote:Yeah well I've been here well over 8 eight years. Nothing I posted was a lie.


This is true. Why was this quoted? 1500-1600 is my global rating.


FAF name pls. Never heard of you.
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Re: How to nerf Cybran

Postby Nepty » 17 Mar 2017, 07:07

I go by many names:

Hypernova ( got a nuke on theta passage versus Anaryl it's on YouTube )
Neutron-flux ( original GPG name )
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Sapphire ( current name I use )
Ruby
Cybrankiller ( account deactivated because of some egotistical idiot )
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Alexa
Photonica

I currently play on someone else's PC and account name toguro. My own PC is broken, but I can play FAF on weekends.
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Re: How to nerf Cybran

Postby FtXCommando » 17 Mar 2017, 07:13

Nepty wrote:I go by many names:

Hypernova ( got a nuke on theta passage versus Anaryl it's on YouTube )
Neutron-flux ( original GPG name )
ThatRockMan
Sapphire ( current name I use )
Ruby
Cybrankiller ( account deactivated because of some egotistical idiot )
Rya
Clayface
Alexa
Photonica

I currently play on someone else's PC and account name toguro. My own PC is broken, but I can play FAF on weekends.


So many names yet absolutely none of them are on the global leaderboards. Why lie about your rating?
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Re: How to nerf Cybran

Postby Nepty » 17 Mar 2017, 07:44

http://direct.faforever.com/2012/09/cyb ... Mt4Gd8pBoM

No one is lying. You just lack the ability to to find my name. It's irrelevant anyway. Don't worry, someone will recognize those names. Just not you...

Feel free to talk about Cybran. I wanna hear about them.
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