UEF T3 battleship summit

[Um ZiniZini]

It looks the coolest and feels nice to have one but then vs other navies it doesn't perform well due to its high cost. Why does it cost 10500 mass? cybran can build 1 battleship plus a destroyer with the mass cost of one summit. Even one cybran battleship(8000 mass) with a few micro moves you can win vs summit since it shoots so horrendously slowly. Can the summit perhaps only cost like 9500 mass? It might still have some edge v an island base due to its 150 range but navy v navy its a poor choice in my opinion.

[PhilipJFry]

You want to make bulwarks and use the range.

[Viba]

UEF is weak at T2 and early T3. I wouldn't mind seeing some balance changes to alleviate this. This doesn't necessarily mean that the summit needs touching, even though that is also an option.

[Nepty]

The summit class is pretty good. My favorite battleship...

I don't appreciate the -1 nerf to its blast radius (AoE). It happened during that unnecessary patch that made all tech 2 hover tanks worthless, slow, and expensive.

Seriously no more nerfs to this ship please. The rate of fire is truly horrible enough, high damage & AoE was supposed to compensate for it. Just saying.

[JoonasTo]

UEF is weak at T2 and early T3. I wouldn't mind seeing some balance changes to alleviate this. This doesn't necessarily mean that the summit needs touching, even though that is also an option.

But this is because you need to build coopers, pure surface fight, they do very well at T2/BC phase. It's just that coopers are too good and thus too expensive. I wouldn't mind half the price, half the effectiveness. Wouldn't count out making them T1½ units either.

Early BS phase they're screwed though, summits suck vs galaxies especially.

10-20 shields and 5 summits changes everything but getting there is a huge grind.

[IceDreamer]

Summit and Galaxy are completely different units. The Summit is most closely comparable with the Tempest; It is a very long-range, very hard-hitting base-wrecker.

You don't fight the other Battleships with Summits unless you're kiting. You have Battlecruisers for that, which make mincemeat out of them.

[biass]

Battlecruisers wreck battleships? D
Battlecruisers die to a few Aeon destroyers if you're not careful, as poor morax learned

[JoonasTo]

Sorry IceDreamer but they really don't.
Galaxy has the same buildtime as a BC, costs 54k vs 60k energy and 8k vs 7k mass.
The difference in HP and range is huge though, 47k vs 22k and 128 vs 80!

And no, shields don't help, they're only 8k hitpoints and they cost 1,3k mass and 13k energy plus they have a constant e-cost of 150.
Besides, then cybran should be allowed to have the stealth boats/sonar with them and that's far better since it prevents you from microing the BCs if you want to keep firing.

@biass:
The aeon destroyer actually has longer effective range than the BC does because of how the mechanics work in this game, you can kite BCs with aeon destroyers(plus t2 hover shields are OP as ****.)

[Um ZiniZini]

The summit class is pretty good. My favorite battleship...

I don't appreciate the -1 nerf to its blast radius (AoE). It happened during that unnecessary patch that made all tech 2 hover tanks worthless, slow, and expensive.

Seriously no more nerfs to this ship please. The rate of fire is truly horrible enough, high damage & AoE was supposed to compensate for it. Just saying.

Yes the very slow rate of fire and small aoe sucks totally, if your summit misses its shot its like another minute before it can fire again.
each time it misses its you have 10500 mass that does nothing. this big block of lumbering hp in the water. The galaxy continuously shoots, it shoots your bulwarks, frigates, coopers, destroyers and battlecruisers it shoots everything. The summit should only shoot other battleships, tempests or base and if it misses its this useless block of hp in the water.

[Iszh]

Before talking in here all people should watch lots of seton 1400+ games after summit was nerfed and see. Setons is in this case clearly the most reliable source of information for balance in open t3 seafights. Result will be very likely that you cant see anything here because the balance between battleships is mostly not the reason for a win or loss. The nerf was needed because summit was clearly stronger than others in seton games.

Balance is made to the top skill not to average. Sometimes that brings the disadvantage that average people like me dont understand how to use something because of beeing to abstract and it seems to be not ok for the majority of people. At this point is appearing sometimes this kind advice if you think something is bad dont use it, play another faction. It sounds very arrogant but in fact it is true. I simply trust zock and others that they know what they are doing. And if i find something which does not work i simply try to analize it and find a use for it. If it does not work i simply dont built it. But i beleave if you watch close enough you could even sometimes find a reason to built a titan bot

Dont complain to much about balance