ACU shield

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ACU shield

Postby Ithilis_Quo » 13 Nov 2016, 04:46

I have jast a question...
How is supost to be balanced UEF shield vs aeon shield?

UEF 1500m cost that get 24 000 shield hp vs Aeon shield that cost 1000m for 8000 shield hp ?


UEF shield cost 50% more and get 300% better output. Cmon!
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Re: ACU shield

Postby Lieutenant Lich » 13 Nov 2016, 05:20

balance team should not have changed the aeon shield stats, they were fine before.
Don't complain about that which you aren't willing to change.

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Re: ACU shield

Postby keyser » 13 Nov 2016, 12:39

hmm i'm not sure why this was pushed.. I thought we needed to finetune the stat about the shield in a better way.. Especially the 2nd upgrade one.
anyway gonna try to explain a little bit :

what we realized is that 2nd upgrade wasn't used. So decide to scale both down, so they get both use more. This is an actual buff of shield for aeon.

in general having a small is better than a big one : (for same hp/price ratio)
because with the small one, you will deplete the shield more easily and get the fast regen. (the slow regen isn't used that much because you are often fighting while having the shield, hence you lose the low regen) (low regen doesn't work while taking damage)

also when you look at an upgrade you should also look at power cost, since it got devided by more than 3 times. now it cost 35 000, when uef shield cost 112 500.
maybe mass wise, we could have change thing a little bit, but it's not that important imo.
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Re: ACU shield

Postby Zock » 13 Nov 2016, 12:48

Ithilis_Quo wrote:I have jast a question...
How is supost to be balanced UEF shield vs aeon shield?

UEF 1500m cost that get 24 000 shield hp vs Aeon shield that cost 1000m for 8000 shield hp ?


UEF shield cost 50% more and get 300% better output. Cmon!


Mass is not the only value in the game.

And the change has been two months up for beta testing to give feedback on it.
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Re: ACU shield

Postby jackherer » 13 Nov 2016, 15:39

Zock with all the respect for the time you spend on faf and on balance.
0.01% of player gives feedback. And balance team is far from being active from what i see. So you got to stop thinking you can just push whatever you like and wait for feedback, because you will never have it . Or you will have 1 feedback by player like me and think it's just one so it's ok...
An exemple 1 week ago i was playing a gap, ppl were complaning in game about recent balance change. So i told them go make forum post or speak to Zock. The answer was a good illustration of how faf works "No point, They wont listen to gap player"

My point is you cant make a balance change. Wait 3 week and 10 beta game played and then push it, thinking it's ok because there was very few complain. I dont think it's a working system
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Re: ACU shield

Postby BenDover » 13 Nov 2016, 15:51

I wonder how many people actually play balancetesting mods, the changes may have been out there somewhere but honestly I like stuff the way it was and you keep changing shit for no reason. This game is nearly a decade old do you seriously think it needs groundbreaking balance changes? Just give it a rest man fix the bugs first then worry about shields and stuff it's only confusing there are still people that play who don't know something was changed in february and are surprised it doesn't work/works differently.
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Re: ACU shield

Postby Darth_Google » 13 Nov 2016, 16:01

Another problem is that even if you give feedback people still enjoy the stagnation. I was asking people about some various QoL changes for Aeon but average reaction was 'hurrdurr go harbrush'. Like.. there is 1.5 valid strategy for the faction and they consider it right. And that being the overall problematic and infamous 'rush t3' which people try to get rid of.

Also Sera are a joke faction and i believe that people who play them would fare better if they played other sides instead. I know Adjux does well with them, but thats like one player.
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Re: ACU shield

Postby Lieutenant Lich » 13 Nov 2016, 16:04

Gonna go with Ben here.

Darth_Google, watch the "seraphim joke" kick your (g)aeon ass (they can do that), because they are not a joke faction. They are just a faction that is not micro-intensive.
Don't complain about that which you aren't willing to change.

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Re: ACU shield

Postby Darth_Google » 13 Nov 2016, 16:07

Lich King wrote:Gonna go with Ben here.

Darth_Google, watch the "seraphim joke" kick your (g)aeon ass (they can do that), because they are not a joke faction. They are just a faction that is not micro-intensive.

Oh look another trueism from the Lich. Who could've guessed.

The Sera are the weakest faction ATM and i dont think even you gonna be able to seriously argue with that.
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Re: ACU shield

Postby biass » 13 Nov 2016, 16:31

oh boy balance cancer i have been waiting
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If you think sera are a joke faction: bad times ahead for you

If you didnt realise aeon shield is pushed down to be a early game upgrade and not a direct competitor to a midgame UEF shield: bad times ahead for you

if you keep using (g)aeon meme: super bad times ahead for you

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