T3 Artillery Range

[Hawkei]

Who was the genius who decided to arbitrarily change the T3 artillery ranges? It really sux.

Just finished a game where someone was building Aeon T3 Artillery. So I got one of my T3 engineers, placed the build marker over their artillery (As I was UEF) and then determined the correct location to build my Mavor so that it was outside the range of the Emissaries... Then as I started taking artillery fire I began to wonder where it could possibly be coming from. But low and behold it was the exact same firebase which I had previously ranged.

Only afterwards, when I selected an Aeon engineer and put the build icon over the emissaries do I realise that the T3 arty for each faction HAVE DIFFERENT RANGES!!!!!

How in the f*** am I suppose to correctly range enemy artillery when these aren't the same? Who was the genius who decided to arbitrarily change these statistics - and what possible balance could this achieve. Very annoyed about this. Sure 3599 wasn't perfect - but at least I knew how stuff worked.

So can someone please explain to me how I am supposed to range artillery when they don't have the same ranges?

[Sprouto]

As far as I recall, they've always been different.

[Hawkei]

Well AI might need to check the old game, but I never thought they were. Still doesn't solve the initial problem. How do you correctly determine the range of something when your equivalent unit doesn't have that same range? T2 arty is the same, T2 PD is the same, TML's are the same. It just doesn't make any sense that T3 arty wouldn't.

[Blodir]

I also think that this is silly, this is not in any way or form interesting "faction diversity"

It's incredible how you are failing to post the thread on the right subforum after using the forums so much

[Sprouto]

They also have different fire rates, damage and AOE values.

[vongratz]

All are originally identic in range = 90 in the last oficial patch 3599.Remember that this game have true balistics. I saw a third party three floor turret firing and only the third floor gun hit the target, behind a mountain.Fantastic to see it.So elevation counts.The T3 Artillery archives not apeeared in FAF, so no one change was made.

[Ithilis_Quo]

not even say that this problem is also fixed in equilibrium...

And yes its retarded.

also what is retarded is hp distribution. Where some artilery alive 2 shot and some other 3 what is big difference in well shielded artilery war. And for this advantage is no real reason.

[biass]

Only afterwards, when I selected an Aeon engineer and put the build icon over the emissaries do I realise that the T3 arty for each faction HAVE DIFFERENT RANGES!!!!!

now you know, no need to bitch just learning experience for next time

[Hawkei]

Only afterwards, when I selected an Aeon engineer and put the build icon over the emissaries do I realise that the T3 arty for each faction HAVE DIFFERENT RANGES!!!!!

now you know, no need to bitch just learning experience for next time

Well yea, you're right. It's just one more thing to remember. Ranging stuff is just an automatic aspect of my gameplay. I do it all the time. As soon as I see a TML or an Arty, I grab that same tech engineer, select the build option, and hold it over the enemy unit to see the range circle preview. Because knowing exactly what that structure is able to hit is often important... I do it so quickly in a game that I will often forget this knowledge that there are factional differences here.

It also makes it rather difficult to accurately assess such things in most games. As the only reason I was able to verify the range in the game mentioned was because I had received Aeon tech. This isn't going to be the case in every game. Such a thing is difficult to guess - and devastating if you guess wrong.

And sure there are some differences; but the difference in range between a Duke and an Emissary is so dramatic that it seems incomprehensible that two similar units would have such different capabilities. I accept that cost, DPS, RoF, AoE, and Accuracy are all valid aspects of factional diversity. But range is a critical attribute.

With the ranges being so incredibly different I would be expecting some more significant trade-offs. Yet the Duke and Emissary are nearly identical in cost. The Emissary has superior DPS, far superior range, is deadly accurate, and has a very strong alpha strike. All of which combined make it far superior in every respect. Where is the logic in this? 'Am I missing something here?

[Wakke]

So what about hovering over enemy units draws their range ring?