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Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

Postby Ithilis_Quo » 19 May 2016, 14:51

Hawkei wrote: The Percival is strong to T2 and T3. It's weaknesses include a vulnerability to T1 spam,


when i see this it make me all time crazy.
http://recordit.co/0NmykUcndz

Here you can see how is percital vulnerable against t1 spam. 5 vulnerable perci vs 114 striker (same mass)
Hint: perci dont lose (any of them)


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but for sure its stronger against t2, while dont waste 83% of dmg. (after waste 83% dmg and still superior against t1 :D)
http://recordit.co/krI2ftlKqT

brick vs striker
http://recordit.co/cp6zGY07pi
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Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

Postby Mycen » 19 May 2016, 19:09

Strikers? How irrelevant. Show me percivals versus T1 arty.


Not medusas though...
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Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

Postby Ithilis_Quo » 19 May 2016, 19:58

Mycen wrote:Strikers? How irrelevant. Show me percivals versus T1 arty.
Not medusas though...


http://recordit.co/fUjSj70q4T

you can not do it by yourself? 10 perci vs 355 arty. (1 perci die - due to bad terain)
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Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

Postby Mycen » 19 May 2016, 20:02

I figured since you've sandboxed so many games, what's one more? :D

Anyway, veterancy lol!

EDIT: Although, upon further viewing, this test seems unfinished. You micro the percies all day long and the arty not at all. Also, you don't box the percies in so they can't dodge.

Test inconclusive.
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Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

Postby keyser » 19 May 2016, 21:16

114 striker vs 5 vulnerable percy
hint : striker win

I missed your quality sandbox ithilis

#54strikerleft

and i've another replay 5 percy vs 178 arty, where arty win with 78 alive. But managing 2 army is possible with tank, it's harder with arty because i need to dodge with percy.
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Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

Postby Myxir » 19 May 2016, 21:20

not sure what this is going to prove though
percies beaten by strikers because they waste 80% of their dps even when they hit? or that they are not strong enough? :)
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Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

Postby keyser » 19 May 2016, 21:29

nothing in particular, i know very well that i won't spam T1 vs T3 because of BT...

but was kinda annoyed by ithilis post, so i wanted to make own test.
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Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

Postby Ithilis_Quo » 19 May 2016, 21:37

keyser wrote:144 striker vs 5 vulnerable percy
hint : striker win


you have jast poor micro. (and math too)
1280m x 5 /56m (in striker)= 114,3 strikers =/= 144

http://recordit.co/53RHLx0tqC

http://recordit.co/CwYI5hkVjQ

This is probably first time that you want to proof how you lose, so you lose percie because you micro them wrong? Congratulation then :D With perfect micro (and if enemy dont use ground fire on artilery) you will not have even damaged single one.


PS: yes they have pathfinding problems, and thats important parth od why perci so hard win
PS2: its part of game and happend in same way in game
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Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

Postby keyser » 20 May 2016, 00:02

Ithilis_Quo wrote:
keyser wrote:144 striker vs 5 vulnerable percy
hint : striker win


you have jast poor micro. (and math too)
1280m x 5 /56m (in striker)= 114,3 strikers =/= 144

http://recordit.co/53RHLx0tqC

http://recordit.co/CwYI5hkVjQ

This is probably first time that you want to proof how you lose, so you lose percie because you micro them wrong? Congratulation then :D With perfect micro (and if enemy dont use ground fire on artilery) you will not have even damaged single one.


PS: yes they have pathfinding problems, and thats important parth od why perci so hard win
PS2: its part of game and happend in same way in game



i used 114, it's only that your micro sucks, i can teach you if you want. You need to micro the tank in this case, it's easy to kite with percy --'
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Re: balance rant, cybran OPness etc

Postby Ithilis_Quo » 20 May 2016, 00:28

Keyser stop blame yourself...

of course when have t1 tanks best posible movment and dont stuck one by other then can kill percie. But this happen in 1/10 situation. Pathfinding is main issue on t1 warfare. in most of the cause they are stucking one by other and whole movement is less fluent.

There i test multiple situations where was try to move strikers and let percy only kite out from battle.
http://recordit.co/OoXlkYkiRH
http://recordit.co/ctyQUhRjPU
today i do about 20 perci tests, perci lose in +- 3 and win with others. Brick is for obvious reason better against t1, but they are definitly not vulnerable (even when waste 83%dmg).
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