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Re: TML -> Disscuss

PostPosted: 06 Jul 2015, 17:15
by Iszh
Just thinking about this topic
static tml vs acu tml ---mmhmm i think uef version is better

static game:
uef acu vs cybran acu
uef shields vs cybran shields
uef mml vs cybran mml
etc.

there are so many thing you are not taking into consideration. Just only i compare uef to cybran not even all other factions
Uef has times better acu in such fights nmabye even can upgrade shield sooner or later
In static fights uef also can get easily stealth building so no advantage for cybran
uef t2 gun is better
uef shields are better
uef mml rockets fly higher while sometimes cybran and aeon rockets fly into walls of t1 pds

so let us grant cybran the advantage of better mml rockets and stop this ;)

Re: TML -> Disscuss

PostPosted: 06 Jul 2015, 19:50
by yeager
Well cybrans need to keep their advantage, sure, BUT every unit/ strategy is supposed to have its counter (except uef defense apparently) this doesn't. Also keep in mind cybrans are going to get a t3 shield soon, so your not exactly hurting.... Also cybran t2 offense is quite good. All things considered I think a nerf is in order, perhaps a slower muzzle velocity o the assisting missle?
As for acu vs regular tml I think it would work if regular tml had say an aoe of 2.3 and acu tmls a blast of 3.1 or so, as for sera vs uef seraphim tml should fly higher, and cost more, uef doesn't need a buff really, maby a slightly better blast radius. But all things considered can we just buff tmd first? THEN we can look at cybran tml and see if it really needs it.

Re: TML -> Disscuss

PostPosted: 07 Jul 2015, 00:37
by keyser
Also keep in mind cybrans are going to get a t3 shield soon

lol stop saying bs like that, or at least give link of reliable source.
it's not because you want it, that it gonna happen.

Re: TML -> Disscuss

PostPosted: 07 Jul 2015, 00:41
by yeager
keyser wrote:
Also keep in mind cybrans are going to get a t3 shield soon

lol stop saying bs like that, or at least give link of reliable source.
it's not because you want it, that it gonna happen.

The balance team said they were working in it, go ask them if your bot sure.

Re: TML -> Disscuss

PostPosted: 07 Jul 2015, 17:36
by Ionic
Sniping UEF TMD with Cybran TML is skilless exploiting.

Team game = Rush Cyban launcher
Counter = Build 2 TMD + T2 Sheild!

How can you get 2 TMD up and a T2 shield before the cybran player starts launching missiles?

Re: TML -> Disscuss

PostPosted: 07 Jul 2015, 18:07
by Ithilis_Quo
defend acu against snipe is supper easy, say taht acu can reclaim while pattrol, is silly, yes ca reaclaim, but dont patrol on palce where is reclaim. its your fault.. for most of case of snipe you need 3 launcher, what is 2400m + 540m, ok then you can reclaim it and take 2000m back, but still you at first need build it, probably in time when enemy dont have tmd,acu in front what is in early-mid phase of game, where is every mass important, and whole plane will f*** up when somone scout it. Its not super easy, its pretty big risk, and thats a reason why i dont see ti as something that make game worse, for big risk is fair get big revard.

When one tml destroy 1 tmd then definitly it is a problem. becasue tmd is counter, and counter simply cant sacrifice self for defend others... Against 1 cybran tml then everyone need build 2x more tmd, what is bs. When it is with 5 speed and only one split misile alive, then it mean, cybran tml still destroy tmd. but with 2x more missile, 2x more time.. Its still muu---ch stronger as other that have no chance against tmd, but it need invest more mass on missile.

Mr-Smith: you dont need destroy 3T2 mexes to pay tml back, when you destroy first t2 mex tml is payed back.. because after smash economy you reclaim tml, and build your own mexes.

Re: TML -> Disscuss

PostPosted: 07 Jul 2015, 20:20
by KD7BCH
Ithilis_Quo wrote:d

Mr-Smith: you dont need destroy 3T2 mexes to pay tml back, when you destroy first t2 mex tml is payed back.. because after smash economy you reclaim tml, and build your own mexes.


Good one :)

Re: TML -> Disscuss

PostPosted: 08 Jul 2015, 01:52
by Ionic
I think the vast majority want 1 TMD to Stop their mexes from getting sniped from static or ACU TML.

It is illogical to build 2, when I was more newb I would build like 12 because I only knew I needed a lot! Finally, I figured it out that I needed 2 per defensive ring.

It should be 1 for the ring protection and everything beyond the defensive ring. So if the Tac flies over it is dead.

I have seen ACU tac abused in com vs com battles. ACU1 - Gun + T2 + Nano killed by ACU2 T2+TML... yes TML takes some practice, but I can't count the number of players that were killed by Mburgh with T2+Tac.

Re: TML -> Disscuss

PostPosted: 08 Jul 2015, 02:15
by yeager
Ionic wrote:I think the vast majority want 1 TMD to Stop their mexes from getting sniped from static or ACU TML.

It is illogical to build 2, when I was more newb I would build like 12 because I only knew I needed a lot! Finally, I figured it out that I needed 2 per defensive ring.

It should be 1 for the ring protection and everything beyond the defensive ring. So if the Tac flies over it is dead.

I have seen ACU tac abused in com vs com battles. ACU1 - Gun + T2 + Nano killed by ACU2 T2+TML... yes TML takes some practice, but I can't count the number of players that were killed by Mburgh with T2+Tac.


True, but that's an issue with the flight pattern, I don't think it should be as bad a uef tml but sera tml pack is too easy to use close quarters HOWEVER if your going to spend a valuable upgrade spot, a fair bit of money, and risk your com (slightly) it should be worth something, it would be nice if acu tml took 3 tmd to take out while regular took 2 (or acu takes 2 and regular takes 1) as for tmd I'd like a fire rate buff where 1 tmd can't beat 1 tml unless it flies directly at the tml, otherwise it takes 2, this will make tml and tmd users really careful with placement, as for acu it would also take 3 unless it flies directly at 1, in which care it takes 2, this should stop tml killing tmd fairly well.
Also for all the sera tmlpack haters: keep in mind uef t2 cruisers are better than sera t2 cruiser in every way except sheer aa damage, and they counter tmd, while sera don't, uef hae better cruiser tml, sera has better acu tml, so although I agree the missle needs to fly correctly seraphim missle pack is rightfully better than uef

Re: TML -> Disscuss

PostPosted: 08 Jul 2015, 02:18
by yeager
Ps I just had an idea: what if acu tml didn't get a faster build time with t2 suit? So ppl have to use engineers and can't abuse it as much in acu vs acu fights. Seems like this would work well