Early bombers, especally sera and aeon

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Re: Early bombers, especally sera and aeon

Postby Mel_Gibson » 11 Aug 2016, 16:23

Also, air factories don't just build air. You can use an air fac for spamming engies and throw in a scout or interceptor as and when required.
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Re: Early bombers, especally sera and aeon

Postby Masyaka » 11 Aug 2016, 16:55

biass wrote:Typically if you are paying attention you will make aa before bomber kills you
also, ur acu = buildpower also


i said already, AA cant stop a bomb, atlrough if i make lots of it in front of base. Good countermeasure with giant mass loss.
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Re: Early bombers, especally sera and aeon

Postby Hawkei » 11 Aug 2016, 17:00

my landfac buildorder is

1 scout
20 engineers


Well that's just stupid. For several reasons. You have no land units, no defensive units, and no raiding units to apply immediate pressure - and immediate pressure is exactly what you should be doing against a bomber first type build.

Okay, the scenarios where you are likely to see a bomber are as follows:

1. 1st Air Bomber
He will do Pgen, Afac, Bomber... This results in an extremely early bomber, and you will likely only have 5 units and one factory operational.

2. 2nd Air Bomber
He will do Lfac, 2 Pgen, 2 Mex, 4 Pgen, Afac, Bomber... This is the more usual arrival time, and this is more popular with most players. As it allows for decent ground expansion and is a good compromise.

In either of these cases, you should IMMEDIATELY stop whatever it is you thought you were doing and take the following actions simultaneously:
- Build an Interceptor if you have an air factory;
- Build 2 or more T1 MAA from the land factory;
- Build static AA in your base with ACU; and
- Send all your land units to attack his expansion points (because he is very likely to have undefended engineers).

Now the first problem is that if you are letting him kill all your engineers, power, and storage, you are not adapting to the situation. Early bomber is an imminent threat. You must deal with it immediately. The second problem is that you are ill equipped to counter attack, because, you have no aggressive ground units of any kind.

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Also, interceptors are very good at taking out bombers. But to do this you actually need to get them out there and "intercept". This means air scouts, radar coverage, and air patrols to establish a perimeter so that bombers cannot touch you. You can have all the interceptors in the world, but, if they are parked on the deck they are not controlling your airspace and will do you no good.
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Re: Early bombers, especally sera and aeon

Postby Masyaka » 11 Aug 2016, 17:01

Hawkei wrote:
my landfac buildorder is

1 scout
20 engineers


Well that's just stupid. For several reasons. You have no land units, no defensive units, and no raiding units to apply immediate pressure - and immediate pressure is exactly what you should be doing against a bomber first type build.

Okay, the scenarios where you are likely to see a bomber are as follows:

1. 1st Air Bomber
He will do Pgen, Afac, Bomber... This results in an extremely early bomber, and you will likely only have 5 units and one factory operational.

2. 2nd Air Bomber
He will do Lfac, 2 Pgen, 2 Mex, 4 Pgen, Afac, Bomber... This is the more usual arrival time, and this is more popular with most players. As it allows for decent ground expansion and is a good compromise.

In either of these cases, you should IMMEDIATELY stop whatever it is you thought you were doing and take the following actions simultaneously:
- Build an Interceptor if you have an air factory;
- Build 2 or more T1 MAA from the land factory;
- Build static AA in your base with ACU; and
- Send all your land units to attack his expansion points (because he is very likely to have undefended engineers).

Now the first problem is that if you are letting him kill all your engineers, power, and storage, you are not adapting to the situation. Early bomber is an imminent threat. You must deal with it immediately. The second problem is that you are ill equipped to counter attack, because, you have no aggressive ground units of any kind.


i wasnt playing 1v1, i mean teamgames on small maps without giant mass dumps that are needed to fight for.
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Re: Early bombers, especally sera and aeon

Postby biass » 11 Aug 2016, 17:18

teamgames still apply
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