Early game help plz

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Early game help plz

Postby Smokamrok » 25 Jul 2016, 00:50

Yo hello

I suck at early game.
Pretty much every time I go up against someone I get overrun with T1 spam. I tend to eco quickly and prefer to switch to T2 early. I can't handle the hordes of T1.
Any Ideas how to defend myself against the pesky T1 units? The only 2 times I won was because of my friendly Percies and my nice T2 tanks. Anyone wanna help? Thanks! :mrgreen:
Want to have some chance in 1 v 1 too.

Ecowhores be welcome!
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Re: Early game help plz

Postby biass » 25 Jul 2016, 00:53

post replays

i mean scout > do you have enough tanks to live next 10 seconds? if no = make more tanks
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Re: Early game help plz

Postby Masyaka » 25 Jul 2016, 09:28

biass wrote:post replays

i mean scout > do you have enough tanks to live next 10 seconds? if no = make more tanks
is PD a good idea? In case if he dont make any arty and has bots looped w/o arty

if i can survive for atleast 14 minutes i can get 1 othuum as sera and eat this whole swarm, and later then explode his base with 2-4 othuums, if didnt worked well, send others that are ready.
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Re: Early game help plz

Postby biass » 25 Jul 2016, 09:54

Typically pd is kinda expensive, but of course the choice is yours, normally im not too much a fan of it but if you have the buildpower...
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Re: Early game help plz

Postby ZLO_RD » 25 Jul 2016, 09:58

spam t1 until you are defended (means doing same thing as your opponents)
if you manage to do that at least you will die later
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Re: Early game help plz

Postby Masyaka » 25 Jul 2016, 10:21

biass wrote:Typically pd is kinda expensive, but of course the choice is yours, normally im not too much a fan of it but if you have the buildpower...


1 PD gun is enough to kill 10-25 spambots. Never saw ppl doing epic swarms.
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Re: Early game help plz

Postby Lieutenant Lich » 25 Jul 2016, 16:36

You can use PD to win time but do not forget that the first reaction to losing 25 tanks/mantis is "Hmm, he has PD... Let's loop arty..." and so you'll win just a bit of time. But if that time is all you need - go ahead. Just remember this rule:

"PD can supplement firepower but they cannot BE your firepower" - AKA PD can help your army but they cannot be your army. Statics do not win the game. Units do.
Don't complain about that which you aren't willing to change.

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Re: Early game help plz

Postby ZLO_RD » 25 Jul 2016, 18:18

you can use t1 PD, that is true.
against low level players it may destroy armies of t1 land
against bit better players you can buy ton of time cause they will just retreat
even better players might find way around your PD so you will have to build more of them
and eventually they will bring t1 arty to kill your t1 PD
good players will have arty with their army and kill your pd super quick

so it is good to have some army near your t1 pd so you can kill t1 arty that tryes to kill your PD
you can also try use bombers for that purpose or even your own t1 arty, but all non t1 cybran arty may kill your PD before you can react with bomber or before your arty kills their arty
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Re: Early game help plz

Postby Smokamrok » 26 Jul 2016, 00:53

Yo thx for the help so far, I don't really like static defenses but the T1 PD really helps against swarms of tanks :mrgreen:
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Re: Early game help plz

Postby Hawkei » 26 Jul 2016, 05:23

Try scouting. Pay particular attention to his base. You are specifically interested in how many land factories he has, how many mexes he has upgraded, and whether or not he has gone for tech. If you have a couple less land factories this will put you on the defensive, and you will need your ACU to make up the difference. If he has a lot more (and the resources to power them) then this will end the game if you don't do something about it. If this happens you need to defer your eco and make more immediate units. Teching is risky and takes time. Also remember that a mex upgrade is equal to 20 tanks which you will not have now. So if not having 20 tanks now will lead to you loosing don't do the upgrade. Make more tanks.

Think of it like scissors, paper, rock. In this game you can spam, eco, or tech. His spam vs. your eco is the scissors to your paper so he is basically forcing you into a spam war. Unless you can nullify this thread you need to match him.
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