Bomber double/triple drop

[Reaper Zwei]

Interfaction balance is no argument here. UEF bomber is/was (i dunno with balance patch) utter crap, and yes, micro doesn't change that; and sera bomber turns out to be the best bomber in about every situation, aeon and Cybran are something in between, again, not an argument.

That is the very definition of imbalance.

What exactly is your idea of balance? Because I thought one of the core ideas of this game was Factional Diversity. The idea that single kinds of units(say t1 bombers) may be imbalanced compared to each other but that overall the factions are balanced. That means that of course when your comparing like units to one another(t1 bombers) that one will be the best and one will be the worst. As for the UEF bomber it is being worked on so that its not as utter crap as it has been compared to the others.

[Anaryl]

Sorry I tag manually rather than using the mouse - so half the time I dont bother typing the person.

[Anaryl]

What exactly is your idea of balance? Because I thought one of the core ideas of this game was Factional Diversity. The idea that single kinds of units(say t1 bombers) may be imbalanced compared to each other but that overall the factions are balanced. That means that of course when your comparing like units to one another(t1 bombers) that one will be the best and one will be the worst. As for the UEF bomber it is being worked on so that its not as utter crap as it has been compared to the others.

That is a lousy justification and you know it.

[ColonelSheppard]

That is a lousy justification and you know it.

No, saying the UEF bomber is crap so bombermicro is unbalanced, thats a lousy justification.

[Reaper Zwei]

That is a lousy justification and you know it

What exactly do you want? All like units to perform exactly the same just look different? Can't have different AOE? Can't have different DPS? Can't behave differently?

[Anaryl]

Asking Cybran and UEF bombers to work well in any capacity, let alone the double-dealing death machines of seraphim & aeonis not impinging on 'Faction Diversity". You by your own admission conclude that both Cybran and UEF bombers are crap - how is that faction diversity and not anything (by very definition) faction imbalance?. It's up to you to demonstrate how it is beneficial to diversity to have two bombers that can't work as intended, and two others that can be abused beyond what's intended.Why this has to be explained is beyond me.

[Nombringer]

Asking Cybran and UEF bombers to work well in any capacity, let alone the double-dealing death machines of seraphim & aeonis not impinging on 'Faction Diversity". You by your own admission conclude that both Cybran and UEF bombers are crap - how is that faction diversity and not anything (by very definition) faction imbalance?. It's up to you to demonstrate how it is beneficial to diversity to have two bombers that can't work as intended, and two others that can be abused beyond what's intended.Why this has to be explained is beyond me.

I really don't want to weigh in to heavily on this thread, but a local imbalance is not a factional imbalance

[Anaryl]

Asking Cybran and UEF bombers to work well in any capacity, let alone the double-dealing death machines of seraphim & aeonis not impinging on 'Faction Diversity". You by your own admission conclude that both Cybran and UEF bombers are crap - how is that faction diversity and not anything (by very definition) faction imbalance?. It's up to you to demonstrate how it is beneficial to diversity to have two bombers that can't work as intended, and two others that can be abused beyond what's intended.Why this has to be explained is beyond me.

I really don't want to weigh in to heavily on this thread, but a local imbalance is not a factional imbalance

Except that in this case, it obviously is.

[IceDreamer]

Factional diversity would be the case we have currently between Cybran, Aeon, and Seraphim T1 Bombers. The Seraphim are definitely the best, the Cybran definitely the worst, but all three of them can quite comfortably be used. As a Cybran player one never shies from building Bombers if one needs to because they do work, they do their job.

Pure imbalance becomes apparent when one includes the UEF Bomber into this. It's not that it's bad because it's worse than the others, the problem is that it's just plain and simply BAD. It cannot do the job it's built for, it doesn't work. When you actually look at how well it can do the job you realise that it's hardly EVER worth the Mass to build it. That's wrong.

Making the UEF Bomber work well enough to use but making it do this in the form of a carpet bomber does not diminish faction diversity, it actually enhances it. It's still the worst Bomber by many measurements, but it also has advantages over the others in specific circumstances.

[ColonelSheppard]

guys nobody rejects imbalances between the bombers BUT this:

1.) has nothing to do with this thread
2.) as the UEF bomber will be fixed, it ain't be a problem