Tech 2 Amphibious Tanks

[pip]

I don't see why the wagner wold become superfluous. The niche of the wagner would be : amphibious tank. It will have more torpedo dps. It enhances its role as amphibious tank instead of making it good for everything, and on top of that amphibious.
With 4 speed, it will be aslo a good raider unit, coupled with mobile stealth deceiver that also has 4 speed, it can be nice also on land maps where speed matters (like open palms).

For now, the rhino is precisely superfluous, because the supposedly "speciliazed tank" is better than the supposedly default tank in all situations.

[IceDreamer]

The Rhino should not get 1450 HP. The Cybran design philosophy for its main land tanks relative to UEF (Which is how the Devs intended the faction to be balanced) is 'Lower HP, *Higher speed*, Higher but less frontloaded DPS'. The current Rhino is nicely done relative to the Pillar, both ingame and in terms of factional philosophy. The Wegner is just too good, and so that is the unit which should be changed. I'm with massively buffing the Amphibious function and leaving it the weakest of the Hovertanks on land (<50% Rhino DPS, <Rhino HP, 3.7 Speed, massive Torpedo DPS).

[ZaphodX]

Having some really decent torps on wagner would make for some nice faction diversity.

[Gorton]

Having decent torps on amphibious units in general would be nice.

[FunkOff]

Having decent torps on amphibious units in general would be nice.

Nice torps on amphib unit negates subs

[Gorton]

Still, these: http://faforever.com/faf/unitsDB/unit.p ... 05,XSL0303
Are completely pointless.
I'd like to see them go up a bit at least.

[qai]

sorry but you are offtopic, this topic is about Patch 3626 beta changes to Tech 2 Amphibious Tanks

3626 beta Changelog
- Blaze speed to 4 (from 3.7)
- Yenzyne speed to 4 (from 3.7)

Blaze and Yenzyne speed to 4 (from 3.7) - OK
The problem: Speed unchanged for Cybran and UEF this makes them less favorable (imo nerf):
- Wagner speed 3.7
- Riptide speed 3.7

Why:
They are not equal in mass/dps/hp/range/accuracy etc but equal in speed
Tech 2 Amphibious Tanks have speed is same since forged alliance release(maybe same since supreme commander)

Solution: Cybran Wagner and UEF Riptide speed to 4 (from 3.7)

[laPPen]

I wouldnt buff hover tank speed too mutch. They already are very strong against navy making them too fast could be critical.

[qai]

I wouldnt buff hover tank speed too mutch. They already are very strong against navy making them too fast could be critical.

also with speed 4 they go almost fast as ships which is silly(tech2 Cruiser speed 4.5,warships made actually to travel in water)

i would slightly(0.1-0.2) lower tech2 bots speed for uef/cybran so hover tank would need less speed increase.
(lesser effect on naval)

[pip]

The Rhino should not get 1450 HP. The Cybran design philosophy for its main land tanks relative to UEF (Which is how the Devs intended the faction to be balanced) is 'Lower HP, *Higher speed*, Higher but less frontloaded DPS'. The current Rhino is nicely done relative to the Pillar, both ingame and in terms of factional philosophy. The Wegner is just too good, and so that is the unit which should be changed. I'm with massively buffing the Amphibious function and leaving it the weakest of the Hovertanks on land (<50% Rhino DPS, <Rhino HP, 3.7 Speed, massive Torpedo DPS).

What are you talking about? If the rhino gets the price of the wagner (300 mass), 1450 HP will still be less than a pillar (1500 HP) that costs only 200 mass. Rhino already have more speed than pillar. Your concern about the faction design is empty.