Balance Test Mod.

[Supreme321]

"When liberty becomes license, dictatorship is near."
- Will Durant

Your giving Pip the license to liberty.

[skakarn]

im with pip on the changes :

ta (not core combat)) was well equilibrated , supcom too defensive , and fa too rushy , meaning they all got balanced in a way that bended the gameplay to two sided edge.

ground units in fa are well used , and are efficient because of their mass ratio .
-ground units :

we can see like in every video game that involves tanking ratio that there is some very neat problem betwen raw damage and better dps .

some weapons like cybrans have exellent dps but a crappy raw damage , lets point some tank you all know about : T2 aeon hover tank . it has very bad tanking ratio , why ? crappy hp and crappy gun against the enemies coupled with bad range . we can call those tank/planes/marine the forgotten . because they will cost half but are not good to anything but cost less : its a poor way to balance as people will tend to skip them as theres already T1 units to soak up the damage /create a mass effect (why loose 240 aprox metal in one unit when this metal make up about 5 T1 tanks that will outdps and outtank the t2)

mongoose : will be good at range , but in packs will work very good ... but dont talk about their hp and their gatling damage , the dps they have will never come out even at range because they wont have time to apply it .

on the other side we have the tankers :

obsidian : can tank lot of damage , or just ignore it because the shield will regen , and a comet launcher as weapon , how comes the more tanky have the best raw instead of best dps ? it would even the things out !

anyway it was my two cents on unit , lets scale up .

how the hell are we supôsed to deal with defensive structures ?
there is an easy counter to every defensive structures , meaning you can roll on those structures if you have the right counter . IT IS RIGHT but .... look a minit : it breaks the miror game , someone who spend less mass into his offense shouldnt be able to overwhelm a more expensive structure !!! , ull tell me : why man ? , because the game isnt strategic at all at the moment : you need to be a uber sim city player to be able to compete , in fact i see more robots winnin' doing templates and rushing like hell without micro and win than good players with lot of micro .
defensive sturctures are too expensive for their outcome , change this . the only viable is t3 uef pd , others cant even think about their arty : they are ALL inacurate and rubish , if someone rush your base with t1 , artilleries will have time to fire max 2 times before being swarmed ... how comes ? arties cost LOT and are very BAD
bring us much lower cost T2 and t3 fixed artilleries , goddamn please !

i mean :
increase pd cost efficiency ! any of them ! equilibrate turtles ! they will have to bite if they want more defensive structures but it is actually not possible because of the cost ratio balancing.


one more thing :

WTF YOU DID WITH MY PINK COMMANDER COLOR

[pip]

I removed the colours that looked too similar with already existing others, and rearranged them to form some kind of spectrum. It should look better overall. Along with the missing loc / tooltip file posted above, it should fix everything; the other changes seem to all work as intended as far as I can tell.

And guys, please test the mod, so that we can watch the games and see if something is wrong.

[Veta]

I talked to you earlier pip I think I know what some solid colors would be:

1Cybran Red
2Pink
3Fuchsia
4Purple
5UEF Blue
6Sky Blue
7Teal
8Aeon Green
9Green
10Spring Green
11Yellow
12Peach
13Nomads Orange
14Brown
15White
16Light Grey
17Dark Grey


I think that's more or less what you have minus sky blue

[skakarn]

fuschia will be better darker thanks
i just love pink before test settings :(:(:(:(

and it was like pink+blue isntead of purple

[Supreme321]

Don't you dare touch my pink. It's my only life line to humanity and salvation.

[Veta]

i'll mock up a lua with these colors and the regular pink purple fuchsia

any objections to the actual colors choices (as opposed to the shades?)

[Ze_PilOt]

I really can't believe that the most discuted point is the colors when we have a big change for T3 air in test..

[dstojkov]

Hi


I didn't tested it before because i thought that people complained for nothing about the turret speed from the mantis ... I have to admit it sucks hard to the point it is not manageable even with micro.

I tested with this change

TurretYawSpeed = 120 ( from 80 )

With this it works like it is supposed to do


Regards


P.S: This was tested with speed 3.6 ... with 3.7 speed may be this has to be re-adjusted

[Firestarter]

Just did a little test - looks good at the moment. Was nice to be able to contend a little bit with air using cybran navy - eg destroyers were capable of killing T1 bombers without too much damage. Still got killed a bit by air but that's just cos of my poor strategy!