Fixing ASF lag/swarm.

[rxnnxs]

"Does anyone complain that you cannot create a de facto "no drive" zone of T3 land units? PDs are horribly inefficient, and their inefficiency is integral to the balance of the game. Turtling must always be less efficient than attacking"

You CAN create a no drive zone with PDs, Artillery and such. And you have so much stuff you can choose from to realize that!

Turtling shall not be less efficient. You can not turtle in every direction and the enemy has to look for a weak spot.

With planes you can always look in the whole base when you have enough planes. Does not matter how much AA you have.
And you dont have that much of a reservoir how to defend your base against air attacks....

[uberge3k]

You CAN create a no drive zone with PDs, Artillery and such. And you have so much stuff you can choose from to realize that!

Yes, you can conceivably create a "no drive zone" with PDs. Just as you can conceivably create a "no fly zone" with SAMs.

But not cost effectively.

There is no combination of stationary artillery/PD that can stop an equal investment in land units. And that is integral to the balance of the game.

[Eukanuba]

Would there be a case for taking the T3 mobile AA from BlackOps and making them official units?

Nomads have T3 Mobile AA, and it's already proven effective vs. T3 Air, but it's their specific factional advantage, it should not be ported fo other factions, thats like giving Cybran mobile shields and Aeon mobile stealth

I see your point, but this is a special case. ASFs have been problematic since before SupCom (TA Hawk swarms), and none of the measures taken so far have addressed the root of the problem, which is manoeuverability and speed.

Having the ability to put strong land-based AA anywhere on the map would go some way to helping.

Give Nomads an extra-special T3 mobile AA if needs be, but this issue is about a broken mechanic, not faction diversity.

[rootbeer23]

t3 strategic bombers are a bit OP. it would be better if they had half the dps and double the health with no cost change.

[brn4meplz]

T2 Flak Muzzle Velocity increase.


Hardly affects T1-2 dynamic and allows T2 Flak to contribute to Air defence against T3. Massed Mobile Flak won't stop an air attack but at least it can contribute. Also means your Flak isn't phased out in T3(aside from trying to shoot at a blob of 100+) Also keeps the dynamic of Flak/SAMs intact.

[Sunny]

There is no combination of stationary artillery/PD that can stop an equal investment in land units.

You can do with Ravagers and T2 arties and walls at lest for UEF. BUT! Let's assume, you were right. Then it's broken for obvious reason and any sort of PD and not movable unit should be removed from game not to confuse new players. And a whole siege and base dismantling strategic dimension too.

Turtling is supposed to be FTL not because of it's uneffectiveness, but because of sacrificing map control and reckon and proactive position. Well, nobody seems to even read what I post

[ColonelSheppard]

don't belive everything UBER says
building PD is fine, but of course supporting them with units is better than just putting them somewhere on the map
PDs in SupCom (let's take Ravangers out) are more (longrange)-directfiresupport

also we are going slightly offtopic

[FunkOff]

ASFs should just be made more excessive to start. That'll fix the ASF swarm problem in the most simple terms.

[Sunny]

excessive

expensive?

[stalewee]

t3 strategic bombers are a bit OP. it would be better if they had half the dps and double the health with no cost change.

+1, although that would be a pretty big nerf. It would be pretty easy to ensure that they only get one pass using sams.

If the static shield nerf is taken out then maybe strats are fine.