Soulreaper veterancy nerf & HARMS hp nerf.

[ColonelSheppard]

every PD in this game is countered by range, due there are no long-range torpedo weapons it would be completely flawed logice to make them imune to surface weapons, because you would have to nerf them that they are countered by subs them and that would be bullshit as they are the counter to subs themself, so you should just put them to the surface so everybody can see that you can destroy them with cruisers or battleships

[Veta]

every PD in this game is countered by range, due there are no long-range torpedo weapons it would be completely flawed logice to make them imune to surface weapons, because you would have to nerf them that they are countered by subs them and that would be bullshit as they are the counter to subs themself, so you should just put them to the surface so everybody can see that you can destroy them with cruisers or battleships

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[CocoaMoko]

I could see where Shepherd and pip are coming from, but that doesn't really fit the role of HARMS. As was mentioned, it's an ambush system, meant to be underwater.

I still stand by my suggestion, of not hitt-able by surface fire and less health.

However, Shepherds and pips suggestion would be good, as long as the HARMS outranges all destroyers, so that it's counter then becomes cruisers and BS, or Torrents. But, as has been brought out, that's less of a cybran thing and more of a UEF style thing. Meh, but still, have it targettable and on the surface is the only other option, though definitely not as preferable as having it fulfill it's intended role.

However, torp launchers are not PD, and comparing them to PD isn't completely valid. Because then we would have to apply similar logic to AA. You can kill t3 pd with outranging land, sure. But there is no "outranging" air attack against AA.

[Plasma_Wolf]

The first thing that has to be changed is to make them actually targetable by surface weapons while they're being built. As long as that is not the case, this discussion is skewed.

[ColonelSheppard]

However, torp launchers are not PD, and comparing them to PD isn't completely valid. Because then we would have to apply similar logic to AA. You can kill t3 pd with outranging land, sure. But there is no "outranging" air attack against AA.

you can outrange a ground PD covered AA by land/navy, but you cant outrange a sam/cruiser covered HARMS with air

S-H-E-P-P-A-R-D

[CocoaMoko]

However, torp launchers are not PD, and comparing them to PD isn't completely valid. Because then we would have to apply similar logic to AA. You can kill t3 pd with outranging land, sure. But there is no "outranging" air attack against AA.

you can outrange a ground PD covered AA by land/navy, but you cant outrange a sam/cruiser covered HARMS with air

S-H-E-P-P-A-R-D

Battleships kill SAMS/cruisers

Although it would be nice to have a long range mobile torpedo unit. Ahh, dare to dreammmm