Make T1 artillery deployables

[rxnnxs]

Wouldn't it be also nice if they could not shoot at close range? This way you could hunt them and they couldn't shoot back.
They already shoot very precise and can predict where a unit is heading and hit the enemy unit (if not ZIGzagging) on the move.

[Ze_PilOt]

It's already the case. The minimal range was increased recently actually.

[dstojkov]

the real problem with arti s that they use the script for the bomber projectiles pls bring back the old mechanism it was good like it was until 3599 not sure but i think i was also until 3603

[Ze_PilOt]

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[Ze_PilOt]

Ok, I spend 10 min checking, and the verdict is that dstojkov can't read a lua script correctly and just made me lose my time.

"the fact that the unit is more dodgeable in 3599" is actually a placebo effect as he think that 3599 is so much better.

Actually, in 36xx, compared to 3599, the turret yaw speed was decreased and the minimal range increased, two nerf making it actually more easy to dodge.

[Crunchy]

The bottom line is that at the very least the zthuee needs a nerf. Its mobility coupled with its dps makes it too formidable. Personally I would like all dps values adjusted down a little except perhaps the medusa.

Artilary works pretty well as it is. I wouldn't mind if making them deployable was tried. We can always revert if it turns out to be an awful idea.
But either way I agree with Gyle, the zthuee is very powerful, and can add so much DPS to a naval army that no other faction can match for such a low price.

I'd like to see them become swimming units instead of hover units, so that they can go through water just as they used to, with the exception that they can be targeted by torpedos.
When making balance changes its normally best to tweak something just a little. They'd still be able to go where and shoot as they used to, but it would allow them to be countered much more effectively by the other factions without having to use so many more resources than the phim player is using.

Thoughts on that?

[Ze_PilOt]

You can kill an infinite amount of fobos with some frigates (more than 10 times less the mass invested in fobos with no losses). So no, it does not make extraordinary damages to naval.
The second less effective unit on water is the aurora. At least they will manage to kill a frigate or two and have some uses against T2.

Also, T1 bombers rape them (bombs are around 200 damages, a fobo is 170 hp), and later T2 air (bombers or gunship) massacre them.

They are easy to dodge, but actually people use the bad tactic : You should not try to kite them. You should run into them, even with auroras, the reasons are :

- They can't fire on close range.
- The turret can't rotate very fast.
- They are very bad at changing directory constantly to stay away of your forces.

Once you've know and tried that, you will find fobos incredibility easy to kill. They cost 20 mass more than any other arty.

[Nombringer]

I completely agree that a change needs to be made to t1 arty, however I'm not sure this is the right one. Its also indirectly buffs Aeon arty and nerfs cybran, who's arty is more focused on Unit-Unit combat.

However that said I am completely unable to think up an adaquate solution myself am I commend you for putting such a radical change out there.

I will support this however, as feel like something needs to be done.

[Kryo]

t1 artillyer deployable actually makes them less maneuverable, but in a way, that totally sucks for controlling t1 armies.

Give them less traverse speed and less turret traverse speed.

[Rediska]

Im really against this.
There is enough position-wars in mid-late game.