Using defensive structures for their mass

[FunkOff]

Some people have tossed around the idea of using defensive structures for their mass by ctl + king them at the start of the game and simply reclaiming them.

So, I have an idea to fix this:

In gwReinforcements.lua, in the function "InitialStructuresSpawnThread", change this following:

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   for index, v in UnitsToSpawn do
      #WARN('unit and pos is ' .. repr(v) .. ' and ' .. repr(posX) .. ' and ' .. repr(posY))
        local unit = aiBrain:CreateUnitNearSpot(v, posX, posY)
        if delay > 0 then
           unit:InitiateActivation(delay)
       end
        if unit != nil and unit:GetBlueprint().Physics.FlattenSkirt then
            unit:CreateTarmac(true, true, true, false, false)
        end
   end

to this:

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   for index, v in UnitsToSpawn do
      #WARN('unit and pos is ' .. repr(v) .. ' and ' .. repr(posX) .. ' and ' .. repr(posY))
        local unit = aiBrain:CreateUnitNearSpot(v, posX, posY)
      unit.CreateWreckage = function (self, overkillRatio)
         return
      end,
        if delay > 0 then
           unit:InitiateActivation(delay)
       end
        if unit != nil and unit:GetBlueprint().Physics.FlattenSkirt then
            unit:CreateTarmac(true, true, true, false, false)
        end
   end

[Nombringer]

The problem is that a lot of structures , like t1 pd are actually completely useless, I have also never actually seen a t2 pd or arty make any difference in battle.

The aa, on the other hand, is quite nice

[FunkOff]

The funny thing is, I originally programmed structures to be built via the beacon: whenever you decided to build the reinforcements beacon, engineers would arrive and build the structures for you, free of charge, near the beacon. Zep thought it was simpler to just spawn them near the starting position, though. (I originally wanted base structures, like factories and pgens to be at the base, but defense structures to be brought by transport)

[Nombringer]

Maybe we could trial that, it seems a LOT more powerful, and makes the cost justified.

I dont know how hard that would be to code though

[Golol]

i would actually prefer if instead of building pds and AA on planets, you could build buildings that do stuff like:
charging an attack on this planet takes 20% longer
reinforcements cost 5% left for each one built.
or somethig really powerful:
if you die defending this planet you dont lose your character but all your credits.

[ZLO_RD]

so i will have to groundfire my t1 pds to get reclaim?
(or recalim them manually? )

i do not really understand, so structures will be forever under AI control so i can't ctrl+k them? and can't give them orders??? what if that will be t2 TML or t2 arty

IF you add AI that will build PDs, you sure that resources from friendly AI will not overflow to player?

Also it gives opportunity to enemy player to just snipe engyes, not sure how good it is,
and how it will be compared to units coming trought gateways, so reinf engyes will have to arrive from gates?

[Ze_PilOt]

May I remind once again that not all the features are in yet?

[Ze_PilOt]

The OP issue is fixed.

Unlike the proposed solution, the defenses are still making wrecks, but they worth 1 mass and 1 energy only.
Also, you can't reclaim them, just in case.

[Gorton]

What?
What's the point of making them then? Single aa turret, maybe a t2 pd if small map and there is no point putting more defences down
If they could be placed wherever I would be fine with the unreclaimable pd but since you can't I think it's a fair use of them...

[Ze_PilOt]

Defenses are for defenses, not for having free resources.

They exists so your recall zone is safe. T1 PD has a role for that, T2 even more.
Also T1 AA, and you don't have to worry about bomber rushes.

As T1 are dirt cheap, I think they still have a role.