Giving nuke subs a shot range anti nuke

[noobymcnoobcake]

Just a suggestion. from a discussion in chat with angry 247. I suggested being able to build anti nuke on water like you would a SAM. He said its probably better to use nuke subs instead as anti nukes due to the impossibility of defending the building.

Late game navy has no nuke defense and due to the slow speed nukes, at times, can be somewhat uncountable. I was just thinking about giving nuke sub the option to build a short range anti nuke missile. You would need two or more to cover a large fleet and good micro to make sure your fleet is covered.

Just something to think about anyways and i am wondering how this will affect game play. It might make the already unstoppable UEF t3 navy even stronger. That is the only downside I see to this.

[Plasma_Wolf]

Just a question. How many ships does a nuke destroy under normal circumstances? Of all the nukes I've seen being fired on a naval force (~50 I think), two or three managed to destroy more mass than what they cost. So I wonder if that's different for you. With a 6% mass-cost effectiveness, I don't think adding anti-nuke abilities to a ship would be useful.

[noobymcnoobcake]

I used to play a lot of phantom games a while back. Due to the close proximity of the bases you are attacking to the battleships and sheere number of hover units / frigates/ the navy in general it was often completley impossible to escape from two nukes fired at your navy. Given the cost of naval units you only need to kill two battleships and a few cruisers/destroyers with those nukes and they have payed for themselves instantly.

Dont forget nukes also remove the wrecks

[Vee]

I like this idea.

[noobymcnoobcake]

I have not made any mods in almost three years but am tempted to have a go for this. People will definitely use it for phantom games. I dont know if its out of my modding skill level but i will have a go.

[BrickedKeyboard]

Dont forget nukes also remove the wrecks

They do? Well, they kill the wrecks of ships that are already there, but the ships they killed leave full mass wrecks, right? I'm bringing this up because tempests are a favored nuke target since they can't possibly dodge, and I've lost a tempest and saw the wreck sinking. Reclaim the wreck, build a brand new tempest using the mass, and keep on trucking.

[Androish]

I think rather than adding antinuke to nukesub maybe have a dedicated ship/sub for antinuke?

Sub seems tempting. but i think it would have to be a ship so it's not that easy to hide. This wold definitively also be used for base defense in Phantom with sub it wold be next to impossible to snipe all the nuke defs before a nuclear attack. And maybe especially so for Cybran with their sneaky stealthy sonar (and stealy nuke sub).

Another important question would be how much HP the ship/sub should have.

All in all i'd like to try this out in a mod but I think it must be on a dedicated ship.

[noobymcnoobcake]

I think rather than adding antinuke to nukesub maybe have a dedicated ship/sub for antinuke?

Sub seems tempting. but i think it would have to be a ship so it's not that easy to hide. This wold definitively also be used for base defense in Phantom with sub it wold be next to impossible to snipe all the nuke defs before a nuclear attack. And maybe especially so for Cybran with their sneaky stealthy sonar (and stealy nuke sub).

Another important question would be how much HP the ship/sub should have.

All in all i'd like to try this out in a mod but I think it must be on a dedicated ship.

FAF has only ever added a single unit and that is the T3 Mobile AA. They had a much better reason to add that than they do to add an anti nuke to navy. We do not need, and I do not want a dedicated unit for it. FAF is not about dramatically changing the game with adding new units. That is just not an option.

[Apofenas]

I used to play a lot of phantom games a while back. Due to the close proximity of the bases you are attacking to the battleships and sheere number of hover units / frigates/ the navy in general it was often completley impossible to escape from two nukes fired at your navy. Given the cost of naval units you only need to kill two battleships and a few cruisers/destroyers with those nukes and they have payed for themselves instantly.

Dont forget nukes also remove the wrecks

Nuking navy is ineffective. Take cost of nuke launcher itself and cost of ppgens into account. Also nuke is not that fast to build. Even with that navy can still spread in close range to lower the affect of a nuke.

I think rather than adding antinuke to nukesub maybe have a dedicated ship/sub for antinuke?

Sub seems tempting. but i think it would have to be a ship so it's not that easy to hide. This wold definitively also be used for base defense in Phantom with sub it wold be next to impossible to snipe all the nuke defs before a nuclear attack. And maybe especially so for Cybran with their sneaky stealthy sonar (and stealy nuke sub).

Another important question would be how much HP the ship/sub should have.

All in all i'd like to try this out in a mod but I think it must be on a dedicated ship.

Nuke sub costs 1.5-2.5k more. The safety is questionable as well - antinuke can be defended with powerfull stationary shields, nuke sub can't. The silly sub is more vulnerable to damage from strat bomber ground fire and from torp bombers. There are a lot of ways to balance this unit as a nuke defence: give it same disadvantages, as it already has compare to nuke launcher as nuke sub: less range, less damage(by that i mean inability to take out Yolona in 2 anti, using 3 instead), less anti storage(2 is enough i think) and in addition, less build rate and make it shoot only when it's unmerged. With that i think it would be well balanced... but seraphim don't have nuke sub? What will happen with them?

I also don't think the dedicated unit will ever be added in FAF. Only t3 maa was for years, and yet it still causes lots of cancer and will continue to do so.

[IceDreamer]

Put them on Aircraft Carriers, Subs are already used...