Make ladder globalranked again

[jmd3au1]

^^ title

Would it be possible to make the 1v1 matchmaker affect global rating like it was before? This was pretty much the only change in FAF I never quite appreciated, and there is plenty of people who would like it to be reversed.

[rootbeer23]

^^ title

Would it be possible to make the 1v1 matchmaker affect global rating like it was before? This was pretty much the only change in FAF I never quite appreciated, and there is plenty of people who would like it to be reversed.

you will have to be a bit more substantial and not just say your tummy hurts.

why was is changed back then?

[jmd3au1]

because people abused it to get lower rating

[rootbeer23]

we could seperate the ratings for only the kids that can't play nice.
anything else pro/contra?

[Apofenas]

First, it's hard to get rating for new players. I saw a bunch of them, who were complaining of having good ladder rating, but still getting kicked from games because of having 0 global rating => no ability to get global rating=> still kick.

Second, ladder pro-s are getting under rated in team games. Yes team games have slightly different game play, but they still play better than their global rating says.

Third, people still drop rating. It didn't change, you still can drop rating as you wish. I know people who do that. So that rating change didn't even accomplish its main goal.

[Gorton]

On the contrary, I think 1v1 players were severely overrated and now aren't, rather than underrated.

[rootbeer23]

Second, ladder pro-s are getting under rated in team games. Yes team games have slightly different game play, but they still play better than their global rating says.

statistics vs. your gut feeling?
if at all, the global rating should be more accurate now considering that ladder doesnt count.
maybe teammates play more sloppy when they see a pro in their team...
maybe high rating presents a irresistable target for a team snipe effort...

whatever the reason for the abberation (if it is real), if you artificially restore the epeen to its proper length,
then it is not as accurate for balance as it is now.

[Apofenas]

statistics vs. your gut feeling?
if at all, the global rating should be more accurate now considering that ladder doesnt count.
maybe teammates play more sloppy when they see a pro in their team...
maybe high rating presents a irresistable target for a team snipe effort...

whatever the reason for the abberation (if it is real), if you artificially restore the epeen to its proper length,
then it is not as accurate for balance as it is now.

i'll answer with example. I'm ~1800/1439 rated player, Lyuker ~1700/1705 rated player. I can compete against 2k global rated player in team games. Against Lyuker i have no chance, while balance wise, system thinks i have more chances to win Lyuker. You can easily find such people: their global and ladder ratings are equal, ore ladder rating is bigger than global.

[rootbeer23]

i'll answer with example. I'm ~1800/1439 rated player, Lyuker ~1700/1705 rated player. I can compete against 2k global rated player in team games. Against Lyuker i have no chance, while balance wise, system thinks i have more chances to win Lyuker. You can easily find such people: their global and ladder ratings are equal, ore ladder rating is bigger than global.

thats not how statistics work. you can't just come up with cherrypicked counterexamples.

[Sir Prize]

On the other hand, I'm sure there's plenty of examples like me (1200 global/1242 ladder) who can beat people with 1800 global rating in 1v1 (and lose to 900s sometimes ), but I absolutely suck at team games in even match ups, let alone being able to beat a 1300+ player who has regular team game experience. My global ranking comes from winning rated 1v1s, mostly in tournaments, and I'm sure I could do what a lot of people do and farm global rating by playing loads of custom 1v1s on my favourite map if I wanted. Or I could deliberately lose the rating by throwing a bunch of 1v1s against 800 players. It's actually more efficient to change rating via 1v1s as I understand it.

My point is you can abuse the rating system no matter what and there are people that are overrated and underrated on both ratings (usually not due to abusing the system, but different experience/skills). The current system leads to more accuracy than we'd have from combining. The issue of kicking 0 rated players will hopefully be fixed soonish by the team matchmaker.