WAS : Advanced Strategic Icons mod

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WAS : Advanced Strategic Icons mod

Postby Dragonfire » 24 Feb 2014, 15:54

necxelos wrote:Shadows already said that he will help with doing it, so Your argument is invalid. It's just a matter willingness on Your side. And it's totally worth it! Sheer length of this topic confirms how many people pray to this mod every night!


Ze_PilOt's time is limited ...
He must prioritize ...

Maybe Shadows or you can do it ..

1. Fork: https://bitbucket.org/thepilot/forged-a ... orever-lua
2. implement it
3. make a pull request

I can help you with organisation (e.g. bitbucket questions)...

Tutorial:
viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1788#p18782
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Re: Advanced Strategic Icons mod

Postby Ze_PilOt » 24 Feb 2014, 17:10

necxelos wrote:
Shadows wrote:If ZePilot would like to set the Advanced Strategic Icons as the default in FAF - I'll Gladly help him make it happen no question asked.

Ze_PilOt wrote:Some people won't like the change, and I don't have time to make an option to make it optional.


Shadows already said that he will help with doing it, so Your argument is invalid. It's just a matter willingness on Your side. And it's totally worth it! Sheer length of this topic confirms how many people pray to this mod every night!


Until it's done, it's not done.

So I won't implement it until it's possible to disable it, and I won't make that option.

So YOUR argument is invalid : The "mod" is not in a state for implementation.
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Re: Advanced Strategic Icons mod

Postby necxelos » 24 Feb 2014, 19:31

That's exactly why communication is so important tool in human life. Go speak with Shadows on private, settle things, tell him what You need and give him what he needs to be able to do it etc. itd.

You really should change Your NO MAN attitude to YES MAN attitude. Watch this, maybe it'll help You:
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1) Players expressed their love to the Advanced Icons project.
2) Author expressed his permission to include it in FAF and willingness to help make it happen.
3) Now You as FAF director have Your turn in this game. COMMUNICATE!! And no, saying "I'll wait till it's done" is not communication. I s'pose Shadows probably have no idea what is needed for You to create toggle'able option for his icons. Go talk to him instead of wasting time on arguing with me.

Jeez why am I a fucking mediator? Are everyone here so socialy impaired that simple walking, talking & dealing with poeple is too much to ask for?

P.S. You should focus on what You do best ZEP - coding. Assign someone with psychology or sociology degree to do the forum talking on Your behalf. This way You will get ready and settled list of what-to-do without actually needing to watch the forums AND You will have more time for coding what people want.

Also there should be some kind of poll here for every suggestion. We are all democratic people - if an idea gets over 50% it needs to be done. Unless some of You are communits, then I really hope Your own athomic bombs explode and wipe You out - the sooner the better (irony/joke - disclaimer for socialy impaired people before they blame me something).
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Re: Advanced Strategic Icons mod

Postby Ze_PilOt » 24 Feb 2014, 19:40

If you want something to happens, the best chance of making it happening is doing it yourself.

As long as you rely on someone to do it, don't cry because it's not done or not done the way you want.

Here is one fact for you : I don't read minds.

When someone asked me if I've planned to included this mod on FAF, my answer was no.

Mainly because I'm not even aware of what it's doing. So how could I possibly plan something I don't know about?

Here is the step you have to follow next time :
- Make me aware of something.
- Ask me what I think is missing for an implementation. (or if it's even a good idea to implement it).
- Don't expect me to do it if I'm not overly excited by your project.

And by the way, no, you are not a mediator, you are a little kid running around crying because nobody is giving you a new present each day, and don't understand why.

You probably don't realize that running around the forum, gathering ideas & suggestions, and compiling them into a possible road map is already a full time job.
It's not as easy as coming into a thread crying "I want that! Why isn't that in already!?" as you do.

And it's not because 50% of the 5% of the community that come to the forum want something that it has to be done. Even less when you can already use the feature.

if an idea gets over 50% it needs to be done. Unless some of You are communits,


It's really sentences like this that make you look like a little kid. No, it doesn't NEED to be done.
It would be nice, if possible, probably.
Most likely people like the idea but don't think about the time consumed doing it VS the real need for it, and most importantly how many people will really use it.

I must warn you that I've already got 3 complains about you on these forum (the little report button). I suggest to change your behavior if you don't want your posts erased.
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Re: Advanced Strategic Icons mod

Postby Ze_PilOt » 24 Feb 2014, 19:56

And back on topic, if it's possible to enable/disable it in the options, why not.

I'm never against implementing new stuff as long as it's some quality content like this.
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Re: Advanced Strategic Icons mod

Postby necxelos » 24 Feb 2014, 22:14

Ze_PilOt wrote:You probably don't realize that running around the forum, gathering ideas & suggestions, and compiling them into a possible road map is already a full time job. It's not as easy as coming into a thread crying "I want that! Why isn't that in already!?" as you do.


Let's make I deal. I'll try to be that full-time-job guy. I'll gather information and statistics of like/dislike on all the ideas around the forum and send You those in understandable PDF form with pointed out important things and some reasonable reading order. Monthly (1st month as a test if You are happy with the form and if I'm good enough to actually pull this off). I won't sleep if I need to, I don't care.

In return You implant some kind of feature voting system and You will respect numbers that You get there no matter what. I'm not saying that if 60% people tell You to jump of the bridge You should do so. What I'm saying is if You have 15 pages topic about UI mod with half the posts being awe and orgasm about it's quality, You won't say a word except for " yessir, done on yesterday".

How that works for You? I'll scratch Your back, You scratch community's back! After all I'm offering to pull full-time-job out of You, right?

P.S. I'll be nice enough to ignore Your insults. Cause as You see it's not "me" wanting something. I'm just the guy with mouth and guts to point it out to You when You don't see it (unless You suggest that I filled this topic myself from my 9999 accounts - I can't argue with that "logic").
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Re: Advanced Strategic Icons mod

Postby RK4000 » 24 Feb 2014, 22:37

^ first time I've seen a guy openly try to boss ZeP around, this will only end in hilarity :lol:


Look buddy, you need to start showing a bit more respect towards ZeP, since he didn't have to do anything he did to get FAF to where it is. You should show a bit more respect towards him and stop telling him what to do because if it weren't for him, none of us would be here.

Also, a thread can have 1350973 pages about how awesome something is. That doesn't mean at ALL that ZeP or anyone else has to do anything about including it, because this is not a "job" that zep has to do, it's something he does voulentarily :) .

Sure, it's nice if he does it, but that's his decision when and if he will do it.

Also, I know plenty of people that don't like this mod, they just ignore it, that's why you see mostly praise for it on a thread. It's, of course, a mod, which makes it optional which means people that don't like it, ignore it. If everyone on FAF liked it this thread would have about 60 pages by now :lol:

You probably have no idea how packed ZeP's schedule is with running FAF, (he has a real life too, or so I'm led to beleive, unless he's a robot) so even if this might seem trivial, consdiering that this is a MOD that you can get from the vault and just have it that way makes it a bit of wasted work to integrate it when there are more important things to attend to :)

Also, your bossy way of trying to tell people that are working on this what to do needs to get up and go, because you won't get far with bossing people around with work they voulentarily do for you, me, and the rest of the community. :) Personally, I haven't seen you make anything worth mentioning at all, so I dubt you have the right to go telling people that have done much for this community what to do, let alone try to boss them around.

(imagine how you would like it if I told you directly to stop trying to make a, let's say, mod, and instead focus on something else, would you like to be told what to do about a project/work that you are doing voulentarily? I'm pretty sure you would flame the hell out of them, without thinking that you are trying to do that exact same thing to others )
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Re: Advanced Strategic Icons mod

Postby Ze_PilOt » 24 Feb 2014, 22:51

I'm eager to see the part of the PDF about hovering bombers...
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Re: Advanced Strategic Icons mod

Postby Shadows » 24 Feb 2014, 22:55

Ze_PilOt wrote:I'm eager to see the part of the PDF about hovering bombers...
Hovering bombers? I just got back from work and I'm not up to date..
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Re: Advanced Strategic Icons mod

Postby errorblankfield » 24 Feb 2014, 22:56

That's an easy one, everyone LOVE hovering bombers. Just ask shep!
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