asf micro

[Datguy]

Sooo I'm in the air spot on Seton. Got me a bunch of shinny asf. The other air guy has the same. As far as I can tell it is equal number. He sends torp bombers I send in my asf. I see he's coming with his asf so I engage the asf and ignore torp bombers. No flak or cruisers nearby. It is asf v asf. I lose. Yes. I need practice and lots of it. I've seen Speed2 video on asf micro and other asf tutorial on youtube.

Is there any tricks or tips or advice anyone can give me besides more practice? I'm just talking straight up asf vs asf nothing else.

Thanks in advance.

[biass]

put asf behind enemy asf, shoot , gg?

try to make it so you come in behind enemy planes if he not playing attention

[briang]

Hop in a sandbox with someone better than you.

[speed2]

If you watched my video I think Ive covered it enough. Sandbox with someone is a good idea. Thats how I did it as well

[Hawkei]

Sooo I'm in the air spot on Seton. Got me a bunch of shinny asf. The other air guy has the same. As far as I can tell it is equal number. He sends torp bombers I send in my asf. I see he's coming with his asf so I engage the asf and ignore torp bombers. No flak or cruisers nearby. It is asf v asf. I lose. Yes. I need practice and lots of it. I've seen Speed2 video on asf micro and other asf tutorial on youtube.

Is there any tricks or tips or advice anyone can give me besides more practice? I'm just talking straight up asf vs asf nothing else.

Thanks in advance.

Well first off, I'm not the best at air micro. When it comes to making those really tight circles I will often get beat by better players. I'm still learning this too, so, any better players out there please feel free to call this crap.

This first thing I should say is that nothing is purely ASF vs. ASF. 9/10 there is some other catalyst for causing the ASF fight - it is very rare for one air player to decide, "heck I'll just go and kill the enemy ASF", when they have equal numbers. So the first problem is that you haven't evaluated the battlefield to locate SAM's, Cruisers, and other forms of AA as possible points of retreat.

The other problem is this:

so I engage the asf and ignore torp bombers.

Now. The second thing you need to do after identifying where your teams AA is, is working out what your game plan is. Now, he's moved in with his ASF, which is a pretty standard response. But you've identified ASF vs. ASF as your only option. Have you considered doing a formation strafe to take out the torp bombers, and then completely evading the ASF? If your game plan is to protect your naval player, and with equal numbers an ASF fight could work against you, then taking out the torps while also evading the ASF battle is a win for you...

The other tactical option which you need to consider is whether you even engage at all? Can your navy tank the damage? Will he get cruisers out? What will this cost him? Is this a critical blow? If you are on par for ASF, and he's made more torps, this means you can probably get ahead on eco. So avoiding battle, and eco to get more ASF could be a smart move. But this depends on the cost for your navy.

I'm no expert, but, for me personally, the thing I would do is a move order through the middle of the torp bomber group. Taking out as many as possible and being careful not to break formation. I would then turn into the enemy ASF as we meet and fly straight through them at max speed. The casualties on both sides will be about equal. Then instead of turning I would continue straight, wait to see his turn direction, and turn in the same hand as your opponent (in a loose circle to keep my speed up). This will give you a comfortable lead and you can break the engagement without losses. Then you will identify your place of retreat, and fly straight for it.

[CookieNoob]

did you try out the supreme stop micro?
bad micro is usually much worse than just stopping the asf just before you enter fireing range...

good micro (no one really micros like that) > stop micro > average micro > bad micro

how it works is kinda easy, you set a move order behind the enemy asf and then you press "stop" on your asf 0.5 sec before they reach the enemy asf. Optionally you can micro the first turn and then press stop (this leads to a better or worse result, it's 50/50).

If you have questions about that you can PM me.

[Viba]

I would then turn into the enemy ASF as we meet and fly straight through them at max speed....

This way you could lose the fight immediately if the other player knows what he is doing.

[TheKoopa]

I would then turn into the enemy ASF as we meet and fly straight through them at max speed....

This way you could lose the fight immediately if the other player knows what he is doing.

^this

ASF turn rate is so high that they will immediately catch up and start shooting the asf again

It's better to turn back to base and hope SAM cover is enough

[briang]

I would then turn into the enemy ASF as we meet and fly straight through them at max speed....

This way you could lose the fight immediately if the other player knows what he is doing.

I wish everyone would do that to me. I could win fights against 50 ASF with 25 with people microing like that.

[UtterlyBrainDead]

Sooo I'm in the air spot on Seton. Got me a bunch of shinny asf. The other air guy has the same. As far as I can tell it is equal number. He sends torp bombers I send in my asf. I see he's coming with his asf so I engage the asf and ignore torp bombers. No flak or cruisers nearby. It is asf v asf. I lose. Yes. I need practice and lots of it. I've seen Speed2 video on asf micro and other asf tutorial on youtube.

Is there any tricks or tips or advice anyone can give me besides more practice? I'm just talking straight up asf vs asf nothing else.

Thanks in advance.

You can select your asf as they are then try to dog fight with them which is bad. Or you can put them into:
Close formation: For when you have less than 100 asf.
Pillar Formation: For when you have more than 100 asf.

You need to keep your air fleet behind his which means you have to predict how he will move. If you make the mistake of issuing an attack order on one of his planes when trying to micro then your asf will only shoot at that target. This mistake is easy to make where there are 100s of his asf flying around.

A third tactic do to when dog fighting is hit stop. It makes your planes spread out and randomly engage his asf. If you do this watch for those moments that arise where most of your planes are behind his then retake control to keep yours behind his.

Cybran ASF are bad. UEF ASF are the best but you don't have ARAS on your CPU. Therefore I advise sticking with Aeon or Seraphim for the air spot. Seraphim you lose t3 bombers but gain that experimental nuke bomber. You can also spam t1 arty in mass if you need to drive cybran destroyers off that are invading the beach.