Mantis needs some quickfix

[Blackheart]

With the new turret turnrate mantis turns out to be too strong. It is microable as a LAB, beat strikers, is cheaper and faster for this performance and isnt beatable with labs anymore, which makes this unit clearly overpowering. The slow turnrate had some valid reasons.. Some test attached

[ZLO_RD]

i do not know about recent changes, but if that is an effect of recent changing, i would agree that mantis shold not have fast turret (as well as aurora should not behave as normal tank)

[Ze_PilOt]

Not enough 1v1 games stats yet to see if it's really a problem or not.

[pip]

Yes, wait a little longer to check it in real games condition. Maybe the buff was a bit too high and need adjustment (a middle ground can be achieved between sucky turret turn speed and OP turret). Before, it was 90, now it's 120, maybe 100 is enough (same as tanks).

On the topic of improving turret turn speed to fix issues, I believe that the one unit (or maybe the 2 units) that would really benefit from improved turret turn speed is the Aeon Destroyer and the Tempest. I think increasing considerably the turret turn speed (maybe doubling) would help a lot in fixing "the random shots" that plagues these units since forever.
IMO, the Aeon Destroyer has the same issue Mantis had, except that it shoots every 5 seconds, so it's much more a problem when the shot is wasted, and Tempest is 10 seconds so it's even worse.

[Softly]

I'm of the distinct impression that the mantis was the strongest t1 tank before... in fact they are the only reason I played as cybran (that and the UEF t1 bomber sucks).

As a result this buff amuses me a great deal.

[Ze_PilOt]

It was probably the worst before (while moving).

[ColonelSheppard]

why didnt i notice that change in the proposal list oO?

[Ze_PilOt]

Testing > Proposals.

[ColonelSheppard]

there are things that are difficult to notice for anybody but Top10 because when i fail with lab micro i think it's me, and not a mantis change

[Ze_PilOt]

Top 10 did the tests that have lead to that change.