Just another ladder ragethread

[Mad`Mozart]

Ok so if you are reading this and think current ladder system has issues, post your opinion here. Lets finally bring some attention to it so something gets done already. Especially now, since we have a specific someone *cough* to blame *cough* for all our problems or if something goes wrong, and who has power to influence things.

So a short list of what changes ladder could use:
- map pool
- map selection algorithm
- whole system overhaul
- dolphins smoking weed
- something else

Ok, now on a super serious note:
1. Who is there to actually recognize this field in FAF needs some attention and changes? Seton council or player councillor? I've been fed since the election of one this kind of bullshit that the council is still not up bla bla we cant make changes yet bla bla again.
2. Why i call this bullshit, is because the changes were actually been made. The map clearing and the not-very-ninja adding new maps (Monaki and the jam crystal one). When i asked about this, i've been told that the question been raised and council looked into it and approved it. So they actually are putting matters up there, look into them, make desicions.
3. Whatever else is happening now is just half measures to f*** off and move on the responsibility that noone wants to take. Map pool cleaning? Yea, cool. Change to map picking algorithm so you cant roll previous 5 maps played? I heard about couple weeks (or more) ago and its still due. But really there are more things to look into like above...
4. What holds people off from overhauling the ladder? We have the player councilor now so lets get things going. Like it was said before, there is no clear view of what a player councillor will do so hey here's a suitable job! Is it too big responsibility to take for just one man? - make a team of trusted individuals and brainstorm it.

[Mad`Mozart]

Or if you think im wrong, prove it and that the ladder is currently fine and doesnt need changes.

[theeggroll]

I Agree. Some of the maps in ladder pool REALLY suck (canis 1v1), and the fact that division and league and stuff doesnt mean anything is also kind of a bummer. I agree with this but i dont have much to contribute

[Petricpwnz]

Agree on most points there. And that's not only the ladder problem, I hear this stuff that lobby and connections are the highest priority right now, but that's the highest priority only to sheeo and other coders, there is alot of stuff that can be done by mortal humans without coding skills to improve people's experience in faf. Making a model of a good ladder mappool system and some balance work would be a good start (we don't even have a balance councilor selected after months since players councilor was chosen.) Balancing is 95% testing and 5% changing numbers and sometimes reworking something. A ladder system can be designed without implementing it, just need people assigned to it, who will discuss the issue. I understand that people don't have infinite free time but there could be alot more things done, I made a thread some time ago about tutorials tab rework and even PMed visi about it but nobody wants to show some initiative. This situation is like FA and CPU relation, 1 core is working as hard as it can while others are chilling aside

[speed2]

I think you can write as many post as you want about ladder, but that wont make it happen. Sheeo is doing connection problems afaik and who else would code new ladder? You? Someone? I think if there was someone who provide working code, it wouldnt take much time to implement it, but there is no one.
Yes some changes got through already, like my maps got added, cause thats simple change and most of the work was done by me, when I made those maps.
So find someone to do new ladder, do it yourself or wait till other like Sheeo will have time and will for that.

[Petricpwnz]

I think you can write as many post as you want about ladder, but that wont make it happen. Sheeo is doing connection problems afaik and who else would code new ladder? You? Someone? I think if there was someone who provide working code, it wouldnt take much time to implement it, but there is no one.
Yes some changes got through already, like my maps got added, cause thats simple change and most of the work was done by me, when I made those maps.
So find someone to do new ladder, do it yourself or wait till other like Sheeo will have time and will for that.

Did you even read my post? While for lobby coding is 90% of the work for balance and ladder biggest part of the work is testing and discussion which nobody is doing.

[speed2]

No, when I clickrd reply button your post wasnt there yet

[keyser]

Did you even read my post? While for lobby coding is 90% of the work for balance and ladder biggest part of the work is testing and discussion which nobody is doing.

well that's not true. At least for balance. Some people doing test and there is balance discussion. And some bug fixing are being done every week on github.

[Mad`Mozart]

I think you can write as many post as you want about ladder, but that wont make it happen. Sheeo is doing connection problems afaik and who else would code new ladder? You? Someone? I think if there was someone who provide working code, it wouldnt take much time to implement it, but there is no one.
Yes some changes got through already, like my maps got added, cause thats simple change and most of the work was done by me, when I made those maps.
So find someone to do new ladder, do it yourself or wait till other like Sheeo will have time and will for that.

Hm, honestly, its the first time i hear this kind of arguement. Would be great if someone knowledgable comments how hard it actually is to code a) a new ladder b) make changes to existing

But you still seem to miss my point. Its not about raging at Sheeo for not coding something that i want. In fact, i kinda would mind him doing it right now, cause there is no clear desicion made yet and nothing to code so far. And its been like this for a long time now - there is no new ladder model to change to - and that is what needs to be looking into first. Also please note that im not even suggesting one. There have already been some decenst suggestions made and they just sank into pointless discussions.

What i want right now is some action taken to make a new model and only then put it onto to do list. I really dont care much about it being done immediately, rather some work going in that direction cause so far we've been only fed with endless "laters" and half-assed fluffs.

[IceDreamer]

In my opinion, the delay on this is not coding related, but because Mad Mozart is the only one bringing it up. Without input from lots of other players, the thing we NEED just hasn't materialized yet.

Mad Mozart - I think you should use your influence, and this thread, to come up with a DEFINITIVE, solid, fully-specced plan of what you want. Once there is a totally clear idea of what needs to be made, actually making it is much easier than if the end-game is changing as things are being done.