a few things that's bugging me...

[lapantouflemagic]

hello everyone,

i'm not exactly new on FAF, but that's probably the first time i use the forum.
maybe you met me in game, i'm french, but i'm actually studying in japan for my Phd.

so there's a few things that have been bugging me for a while, i like to check the unit database regularily to look at units data, and i noticed that the cybran T3 anti-air unit (some kind of small spider with rockets) is not in the database, as well as the other's faction equivalent units (provided they have one), is that normal ? i can't be the first one to notice, right ?

the other thing i can't quite understand, is the topedo weapons a few amphibious cybran land units have. for example the Wagner has torpedoes, but 3dps ? really ? you sure no one forgot a zero or something ? the same is true for the Othuum and the Brick, 10dps for a T3 units costing 1280 mass ? i can't help but feel that's a joke, shouldn't these values be higher ?

[ZLO_RD]

There were alot of people that were against t3 maa without even trying it
so it was desided to not include them in database yet, so you have to try them out in game

Talking about torpedos... you have units that have same cost/tech level/game role (kind of)
but then suddenly you add to one a t1 torpedo capabilities (to wagner for expamle)
that is not good for balance... also wagner torpedos are not completely useless
not really sure about brick and othuum

[ZeRen]

hello everyone,

i'm not exactly new on FAF, but that's probably the first time i use the forum.
maybe you met me in game, i'm french, but i'm actually studying in japan for my Phd.

so there's a few things that have been bugging me for a while, i like to check the unit database regularily to look at units data, and i noticed that the cybran T3 anti-air unit (some kind of small spider with rockets) is not in the database, as well as the other's faction equivalent units (provided they have one), is that normal ? i can't be the first one to notice, right ?

the other thing i can't quite understand, is the topedo weapons a few amphibious cybran land units have. for example the Wagner has torpedoes, but 3dps ? really ? you sure no one forgot a zero or something ? the same is true for the Othuum and the Brick, 10dps for a T3 units costing 1280 mass ? i can't help but feel that's a joke, shouldn't these values be higher ?

I noticed it too, I would like to know blueprit ID for UI mod, but naming in github is terrible I cant even guess what is cybran...

[Sir Prize]

The blueprint IDs are "dslk004","dalk003","delk002","drlk001" - I think that's Sera Aeon UEF and Cybran. I got them off the cheat menu in game (it shows the ID next to the name of the unit when you search for them). Double check in there. If you want to just check out T3MAA stats, try here: https://spooky.github.io/unitdb/#/

It's pretty laggy (for me) and doesn't have BP Ids but it's up to date.

EDIT - the blueprint IDs are in the URL when you compare them https://spooky.github.io/unitdb/#/DSLK0 ... 01,DELK002

[ZeRen]

The blueprint IDs are "dslk004","dalk003","delk002","drlk001" - I think that's Sera Aeon UEF and Cybran. I got them off the cheat menu in game (it shows the ID next to the name of the unit when you search for them). Double check in there. If you want to just check out T3MAA stats, try here: https://spooky.github.io/unitdb/#/

It's pretty laggy (for me) and doesn't have BP Ids but it's up to date.

EDIT - the blueprint IDs are in the URL when you compare them https://spooky.github.io/unitdb/#/DSLK0 ... 01,DELK002

thx

[nakeddave]

not sure how much use that is - it claims that the uef cougar has 1200dps and the seraphim lightning tank has just 12. Who maintains it?

[lapantouflemagic]

@ZLO_RD : oh, okay, but i assume those units have been in-game for quite a while now, or anyway, i hope it will be put in the database when people will be used to it.
actually i think adding them is a good idea, i remember a time when i felt that air supremacy was a bit hard to break.

but i still disagree about making the torpedoes so weak, units have a specific role but isn't having torpedoes and going underwater specifically the role of the wagner ? i calculated 10 T1 Cybran submarines versus 12 wagner (total of 3600 mass), and the wagners get butchered in barely a minute, that's what i call being completely worthless.

of course if you want to go navy, you should make ships, not wagners, but it would be great if they could at least give a decent fight.

the same goes for bricks of course.

EDIT : wait, they can't use the torpedoes ouside of the water right ?

[nine2]

isn't having torpedoes and going underwater specifically the role of the wagner

nah id say its primarily the stealthness of going underwater

[keyser]

well it's not really stealth since a sonar can spot them....

[nine2]

i didn't mean stealth stealth. thought you would get that...