Cybran acu regen is OP

[Ithilis_Quo]

people cry about how shit is, because have 10% less hp as have aeon, but with this change what was do in past already its total unfair advantage.

When against aeon acu have 58% more regeneration, and after first vet 62% more regeneration. For giving 10% less hp as aeon do its really brutal unfair have so less regen for only 1000hp more, or 100 hp more after instant veteran heal.

On T2 upgrade have cybran 13500hp aeon 14000hp nearly same but cybran can have more regen. For why?
on T3 upgrade have cybran 17000hp aeon 17000 but cybran have more regen. For why?

why its cyrban acu supost have so brutal regen differences as other acus? for 10% less hp?
Then its also aeon/sera supost to have more regen as UEF.

[keyser]

if you compare uef and cybran ACU, you need to trade hp and regen for 286 seconde, before it paid off.
In lot of game there is 1 fight (that include acu) that decide the game. Regen doesn't impact in 1 fight. That's why cybran acu are paper. If you include the fact that they can't have T2 + gun. And that uef and sera can have T2 + gun + tml (or regen of sera).
Furthermore, you don't have early-late game option for cybran ACU. As opposed to shield for uef and aeon, or double regen for sera.
The only thing is a ultra-late game option which is telemazer (lazer + cloak nearly never work). Torpedo upgrade is kinda cool, but using it expose your com to danger way more than if you were using your com on land.
To be able to abuse the stealth + gun combo you need (in ACU vs ACU fight) : to get out of opponent radius vision, but stay in gun range... To have air supremacy.

cybran ACU is a paper acu, not OP at all. It still have some way to fight back at opponent. The fact that cybran have the weakest acu, is imo, a way to balance the fact that they have the more versatil faction. (Good air, best sniping faction, good exp, good T3, and overall not that bad T1 and T2)

[Frozen_byte]

You may rename this topic: "Aeon ACU is shit" ?

[Ithilis_Quo]

but when you compare situation where any acu dont have any upgrade. then
all have 100-17(regen dmg) on cybran or 100-10 on others.

so for UEF it take 10000/83 = 120s to destroy cybran
and 133s for cybran destroy UEF, cybran need 13s more for destroy euf acu. when are non stop in fight.

but when cybran can go for while out of fight then take much more regen as uef acu and have advantage.

Ok uef can have gun + t2 and cybran only gun or t2, but gun + stealth is in some(and not rare) situation better as gun+t2. And have more versatile units.

But for aoen who also dont have gun +t2/tml its cybran acu unfarily stronger because have 60% more regeneration only for 10% less hp

[Ceneraii]

Well sure it's stronger without upgrades, but uef/sera can get gun+t2 which is incredibly stronk. And aeon has superior doublegun upgrades. The longer the game goes on the weaker the cybran acu gets comparatively. During first upgrade timings cybran can still hold a lead, second upgrades already put cybran somewhat behind, if third upgrades come into play cybran acu has no chance.

[keyser]

you do forget that aeon gun ACU have more range than any other ACU. And double gun is in some(and not rare) situation better than gun + stealth.
The situation where stealth + gun is better than T2 + gun are rare (i would say nearly none existent).

Well there is a usual tactic called "spam T1" in this game. That allow fight to end up way faster than having 2 coms shooting at eachother for ever.
having to fight with ACU for nearly 5 min to have the same life than UEF commander is kinda bs. Hopefully cybran can make up thank to their versatillity.

[BRNKoINSANITY]

Ithilis, you are listing off numbers without any real reference point in game. Units are balanced around MANY factors including firing rate, special abilities (looking at you, stealth) HP, regen, etc. if you ONLY look at health when trying to say something is OP, you get an incomplete picture.

The cybran ACU is the most paper one out of the 4, and I challenge you to show me a single replay where regen made any significant impact on the game.

Replays speak volumes, numbers on the pages say anything you want. You could say aurora is under powered because of it's low health with this logic.

[Ithilis_Quo]

you do forget that aeon gun ACU have more range than any other ACU. And double gun is in some(and not rare) situation better than gun + stealth.
The situation where stealth + gun is better than T2 + gun are rare (i would say nearly none existent).

For example when aoen have double gun and cybran gun + stealth (cca same price)

aeon cant use range because dont see cybran acu and cybran can shoot for that time half of weak auroras where one go down for 1sec instead of 1,5sec for mantis. aeon need air cover. what is easy to do, but especialy on early game its not automatic non stop strem of scouts. And on early aeon vs cybran, cybran stealth +gun is stronger. in midgame is double gun better, but only on time when start make decivers where again is range not stronger because is blind.

against early T2 pd is stealth much better as double gun.

Its not big differences between double gun or gun + stealth, but when cybran go out of fight is on full hp much faster as aeon, and only because have 10% less hp.

Bronks, im note sure if make sense to react on you.. but also on variability. cybran is stronger acu whiteout any upgrade. then is comporable against aeon double gun, and weaker against t2+gun. But is superior on water wheren topr upgrade can destroy early destroer reclaim it and be with stealth relative in safe. but on end its strongest on with telemazer, or with cloack oc Experimental and reclaim. Cybran acu is probably most versatile acu.

of course that 60% more regen make significant differences. You never see cybran acu out of fight for while, and then come back with full hp when enemy is only in half?

[keyser]

well if you don't put your air force over the fight it's your problem.
aeon acu has an super efficient shield that you completelly forget to talk about.
torp acu cost 3 destro in term of energy, does not target hover, doesn't have anti torp.
aeon omni completelly kill all cybran stealth. if you get T2 and omni you can completelly ruin cybran gun + stealth.
aeon has double ras.
cybran is still the weaker acu without upgrade because of T1 spam.

[Ithilis_Quo]

well if you don't put your air force over the fight it's your problem.

when you dont have air dominance, or better say when you air palyer dont have air dominance, it is your problem but what you can do with it? Later something but on moment of fight that can be about 25s you lose most of your force and can go home, and let cybran reclaim your forces.

yeah shield is nice, but nano is better.

torp upgrade cost 2/3 mass of destroer. Energy doesnt mather a lot. its -250e/sec first T2 pgen and you take it easy. on that time everyone have T2 pgen. And for that price you can beat early 2 destroer and have 2500 mass advantage that you can transformt to your own navy. Dont say that torpedo acu isnt big advantage as others. And its not theme.. because what have torp upgrade with 60% more regeneration as other acu?