unit analysis

[KrogothFTW]

Is there a special term for the mathematical product of hit points and DPs? It seems like it ought to be a useful measure of how much damage a unit will do while under fire, before it dies.

[speed2]

you can find units stats here http://content.faforever.com/faf/unitsDB/

[KrogothFTW]

Thank you, I know.

[nine2]

i think the short answer is 'no'.

i used to think about dps per mass and hp per mass.

but even that is pretty useless. Range is a huge factor in how useful a unit is, any maths you did would be discounting that, which is a big problem

similarly, people used to try and determine the cost of buildings by multiplying the mass and energy together to get "cost". energy was weighted less. which just doesn't work.

[Vee]

Mathematically if you ignore range and pretend that damage is applied in a continuous fashion rather than in discrete shots then the strength of a unit is dps*hp: a unit with a higher dps*hp will win against a unit with lower dps*hp. Suppose you have two units fighting each other, having dps1, dps2, and hp1, hp2 respectively. Then the lifetime of unit 1 is hp1/dps2 and the lifetime of unit 2 is hp2/dps1. So if you want to know who dies first you need to compute the minimum(hp1/dps2, hp2/dps1). We can multiply and divide by dps1*dps2 to get minimum(hp1*dps1, hp2*dps2)/(dps1*dps2). So you see that who wins depends on hp1*dps1 vs hp2*dps2. So we could say that hp*dps is the strength of a unit.

A similar argument shows that dps*hp/mass^2 is the strength of a unit if you also take cost into account. If you compute that number for various units you'll see that it's very consistent: even very different units with vastly more hp or dps still have roughly the same dps*hp/mass^2. Of course in practice range and speed and how bulky units are matters so much that this theorycrafting is useless for actually playing the game.

[Resin_Smoker]

Well there is MAX range and EFFECTIVE range... Thanks to each weapons preset firing inaccuracy.

Resin

[KrogothFTW]

Vee, so you call it "strength".

[KrogothFTW]

Party time, build resources are a function of game time (the only real resource) and the number,level of producers (limited by an exponential function of game time). At the beginning, 1 mass is equivalent to 20 energy, no?

[NodCommander]

you can find units stats here http://content.faforever.com/faf/unitsDB/

Sorry for the off-topic, but wasnt there an improved version of that database?

[ZLO_RD]

you can find units stats here http://content.faforever.com/faf/unitsDB/

Sorry for the off-topic, but wasnt there an improved version of that database?

http://spooky.github.io/unitdb not really sure how much improvement is done there, Fire cycle thing is much better for old database
I didn't read much of this thread but Fire cycle is really important, that is reason why some times hunters beat mechmarines