Do you feel sorry General Samantha Clarke?

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Do you feel sorry General Samantha Clarke?

Postby Flynn » 26 Dec 2014, 18:29

Just cast you're minds back to the SupCom: Forged Alliance intro for a minute, UEF forces are trying to defend a Cybran transport ship whilst the Seraphim are attacking it via a highway overpass bridge. The UEF ACU overcharges a bunch of Illshovahs and then is soon joined by Cybran and Aeon commanders but they leave as soon as they arrive, fleeing the battle like true cowards leaving the UEF ACU to get overwhelmed.

Inside the UEF ACU is General Samantha Clarke, she has a distinctive scar below her right eye. This is her: http://supcom.wikia.com/wiki/Samantha_Clarke

She looks and sees the Seraphim ACU just as he overcharges her ACU into the chest, crippling it. I really feel sorry for a woman being left in that situation, with a member of an alien species. I mean, just imagine what the Seraphim commander might have in store for her injured body. We can only hope that she perished in the ACU explosion, that she was not found alive by the Seraphim, imagine what a group of rowdy Seraphim commanders, high on the ecstasy of victory, might do with an attractive human woman :o :x

It does make me very sad that a poor ickle woman was left for dead to fall into the perverted hands of blood thirsty aliens.
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Re: Do you feel sorry General Samantha Clarke?

Postby justmakenewgame » 26 Dec 2014, 19:05

flynn while riding this post a question poped in my head. What if the guy you are with has a bigged thing then you?
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Re: Do you feel sorry General Samantha Clarke?

Postby Gerfand » 26 Dec 2014, 19:23

man, just saying FA is not like LOL/DOTA2 that you have an Giant Fan Base!

also this don't have a cool story... so feels nothing.

TA campaing in other hand was very good, no humans things, just TA the enemy
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Re: Do you feel sorry General Samantha Clarke?

Postby belatedcube » 26 Dec 2014, 19:24

Flynn wrote:Just cast you're minds back to the SupCom: Forged Alliance intro for a minute, UEF forces are trying to defend a Cybran transport ship whilst the Seraphim are attacking it via a highway overpass bridge. The UEF ACU overcharges a bunch of Illshovahs and then is soon joined by Cybran and Aeon commanders but they leave as soon as they arrive, fleeing the battle like true cowards leaving the UEF ACU to get overwhelmed.

Inside the UEF ACU is General Samantha Clarke, she has a distinctive scar below her right eye. This is her: http://supcom.wikia.com/wiki/Samantha_Clarke

She looks and sees the Seraphim ACU just as he overcharges her ACU into the chest, crippling it. I really feel sorry for a woman being left in that situation, with a member of an alien species. I mean, just imagine what the Seraphim commander might have in store for her injured body. We can only hope that she perished in the ACU explosion, that she was not found alive by the Seraphim, imagine what a group of rowdy Seraphim commanders, high on the ecstasy of victory, might do with an attractive human woman :o :x

It does make me very sad that a poor ickle woman was left for dead to fall into the perverted hands of blood thirsty aliens.

this is wrong
1 there was no aeon acu there
2 if I remember right the transport was uef
3 there was no sera acu there it was a ythotha
4 doysta didn't flee like a wuss. clarke would have gotten out if the recall worked better.
5 the campaign characters were so noob

doysta died to T1 units (probably around 75) when she had bricks
clarke just stood there not fighting the ilshovahs
in the second to last mission when fletcher comes in he builds an air fac and automatcially upgrades it to T3 before doing anything else, then builds T3 pgens and mass fabs, and doesn't take any mexes
in the last mission rhiza's navy (t2 and t3) dies to UEF T2 NAVY!

do I feel sorry? I would feel more sorry over the deaths in halo (particularly johnson's)
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Re: Do you feel sorry General Samantha Clarke?

Postby justmakenewgame » 26 Dec 2014, 21:31

enother words - FA has failed in EVERYTHING except becoming the best RTS
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Re: Do you feel sorry General Samantha Clarke?

Postby Vashon » 27 Dec 2014, 03:09

I feel sorry for the general fate of the Female cast. No, I ain't no crazy LW1 &2 SJW cultist, but SupCom was pretty cool with all the women in charge. And it wasn't stupid about it either or slathering vaginas all over your face with it. It was cool with.

From what I heard, SupCom2 didn't bring back the female cast ratio, and for that, I am sad.
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Re: Do you feel sorry General Samantha Clarke?

Postby Flynn » 27 Dec 2014, 13:19

belatedcube wrote:this is wrong
1 there was no aeon acu there
2 if I remember right the transport was uef
3 there was no sera acu there it was a ythotha
4 doysta didn't flee like a wuss. clarke would have gotten out if the recall worked better.
5 the campaign characters were so noob

doysta died to T1 units (probably around 75) when she had bricks
clarke just stood there not fighting the ilshovahs
in the second to last mission when fletcher comes in he builds an air fac and automatcially upgrades it to T3 before doing anything else, then builds T3 pgens and mass fabs, and doesn't take any mexes
in the last mission rhiza's navy (t2 and t3) dies to UEF T2 NAVY!

do I feel sorry? I would feel more sorry over the deaths in halo (particularly johnson's)



You need to watch the intro again. Bearing in mind I have posted this just after watching it.

1 There is clearly communication between the General Clarke and an Aeon commander, maybe the Aeon ACU was not there but due to the aforementioned communication in regards to the dropship I assumed the Aeon were there.

2 Again, take another look at the video, it was a red Cybran transport ship but it was piloted by a UEF commander, presumably to enhance the theme of the "forged alliance" they have created among themselves.

3 Okay, that I can understand, they both look very similar.

4 There was a problem with the recall system for some reason, but I would not have left my fellow woman to be raped to death by aliens.

5 No argument there.

It is a shame because I really liked the story; it was not as bleak or as grim as Total Annihilation's back story which is the superior backstory imhao. But it was a likeable story none the less. And Clarke does overcharge a group of Illshovahs at the start of the scene.

Gerfand wrote:man, just saying FA is not like LOL/DOTA2 that you have an Giant Fan Base!

also this don't have a cool story... so feels nothing.

TA campaing in other hand was very good, no humans things, just TA the enemy


Yes that was what I loved about TA's story, the humans have been extinct yet the machines they created continue to fight on infinitely, for no reason except pure hatred. It is a very bleak and depressing story, it set the tone for the whole game. I do wonder why the SupCom story was comparatively "fluffy", what with all the society and humans still around.

Vashon wrote:I feel sorry for the general fate of the Female cast. No, I ain't no crazy LW1 &2 SJW cultist, but SupCom was pretty cool with all the women in charge. And it wasn't stupid about it either or slathering vaginas all over your face with it. It was cool with.

From what I heard, SupCom2 didn't bring back the female cast ratio, and for that, I am sad.


Yeah, a women in charge really get me going :twisted: I also find it very attractive when a woman isn't afraid to put her soft feminine body in harm's way. It is a shame that there were less women in SupCom2, yet another reason to dislike that poor excuse for a game.
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Re: Do you feel sorry General Samantha Clarke?

Postby belatedcube » 27 Dec 2014, 19:26

Flynn wrote:1 There is clearly communication between the General Clarke and an Aeon commander, maybe the Aeon ACU was not there but due to the aforementioned communication in regards to the dropship I assumed the Aeon were there.

2 Again, take another look at the video, it was a red Cybran transport ship but it was piloted by a UEF commander, presumably to enhance the theme of the "forged alliance" they have created among themselves.

3 Okay, that I can understand, they both look very similar.

4 There was a problem with the recall system for some reason, but I would not have left my fellow woman to be raped to death by aliens.

5 No argument there.

1 I thought you meant that there was an aeon com there
2 ok you were right (just looked at it again)
3 it was an acu (balance must have been seriously screwed up there if an oc kills a com)
4 she was standing there not shooting YOU DONT SURVIVE IN A WAR LIKE THAT!

I think the story of supcom should have been like the campaign in dawn of war dark crusade and soul storm (I don't reccomend them because of content though). I liked how relic did it with every faction was at war with each other and there was no definite story otherwise.
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Re: Do you feel sorry General Samantha Clarke?

Postby Plasma_Wolf » 27 Dec 2014, 21:04

1. There's no guarantee that there was an Aeon ACU even on that planet. From the looks of just the communication and the skirmish in the intro, Rhiza was only overseeing the entire battle. Possibly from an HQ elsewhere in the galaxy.

2. When you look from above, the ship is indeed red. But several close-ups show some blue plating as well. Considering the fact that all faction-specific ACUs are piloted by their respective faction-specific commanders, it's likely that the ship is still UEF. Also, the design isn't as spiky as the other Cybran designs (for example the ship in the Cybran intro in SupCom). Yes, it's not as blocky as the ship in the general intro of Supcom, but the design feels much more UEF than Cybran to me.

3. It was definitely a Seraphim ACU rather than an Ythota. It also probably was an overcharged shot. An OC killing an ACU is still more likely than a normal shot killing an ACU. Ad

4. Clarke probably have gotten out if she recalled immediately, like Dostya. She insists on shooting some more and then being shot at, after the recall of Dostya. That changes some things. If recall was impossible right away, just walk away, through the maze of buildings.

5. Here's an improved version, in which dotswarlock gave a good insight in how the game mechanics would work in the more story-like situation: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_LpCNQ9Qch-eE5TbU4tODI5Y2s/edit?pli=1.

As always, the balance of a game doesn't hold up with the balance of a story or the balance of real-life. If we had an FPS, in which a standard current-time army rifle would be as deadly as it is in real life, many people would be fed up quickly, with instant-kills everywhere. A quick google search tells you that some British WWI artillery had a range of ~10km. Those things certainly weren't as large as the T2 static artillery, which can't fire 10km away.

Finding the balance in a game and then finding a plausible explanation in the story isn't that easy, but I think dots has written it quite well. Anyway: in book 9, he tells more about that ship, which is definitely UEF for him. In book 10, he gave a reasonable explanation as to why Clarke didn't recall. In book 6, he gives a nice explanation as to how the Seraphim could manage to OC ACUs in a single shot (though this would be in the past at the time of the botched ship evacuation mission). Book 6 is called "broken balance" for a reason :P

I'd recommend reading book 1 first and working your way through it. Then you can get accustomed to the characters, otherwise, you may get a bit of trouble in the later books (you'll get in trouble anyway, if you try to make sense of Bagby...).

Flynn wrote:We can only hope that she perished in the ACU explosion
It's an ACU explosion. A thermonuclear explosion right under your cockpit. I don't think you'd survive that. You should be happy if you're destroyed at a molecular level, rather than an atomic level. :)
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Re: Do you feel sorry General Samantha Clarke?

Postby Vashon » 29 Dec 2014, 06:58

Plasma_Wolf wrote:As always, the balance of a game doesn't hold up with the balance of a story or the balance of real-life. If we had an FPS, in which a standard current-time army rifle would be as deadly as it is in real life, many people would be fed up quickly, with instant-kills everywhere.

No, what they would get fed up with is not hitting anything, ever. Oh and I still support th game balance is canon, and the people who did that cutscene just derped real hard and real fast. T3 on the field and your commander shoul be very very far away from the frontlines.

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Yeah, a women in charge really get me going :twisted: I also find it very attractive when a woman isn't afraid to put her soft feminine body in harm's way. It is a shame that there were less women in SupCom2, yet another reason to dislike that poor excuse for a game.

No offense bro, but stuff like this is what gave SJW types the push into relevancy.
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