A non-pro's Guide for other non-pros

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A non-pro's Guide for other non-pros

Postby Flipper » 29 May 2014, 22:13

1) There are only a few hard and fast rules that I can think of.
Some are:
don't start ACU upgrades that you can't afford. RAS in minute 3 is usually a FAIL
don't forget to scout
don't forget to build an energy storage so you can overcharge
don't forget to scout
don't overbuild energy early on
don't forget to scout
don't upgrade too many mexes at once
don't forget to scout

2) Watch replays of wins and losses - try to identify your mistakes and correct them

3) Watch casts, learn from pros who cast and from Gyle. It's like a free education

4) Start with known good build orders and adapt them after you have them down

5) Learn the maps - not knowing where the reclaim is usually means a loss if your opponent does know where it is

5a) Practice against an ai on maps that you suck on. Figure out why you suck on that map in particular.

6) Avoid the temptation for a cheese win until you know you have no other option

7) Chat with those who have just beaten you to see if they will offer up suggestions, most folks here are good people

8) Learn what mods are popular and get them. You are at a disadvantage if your opponent does and you don't. It sucks, but it's true.

9) Listen to teammates advice in game, they may know more than you do

10) Stop making the same mistakes over and over.

11) Ask questions in aeoleous and the forums. FAF'ers like to help each other

12) A draw is better than a loss - take the other guy down with you if you can

13) Mass in storage is (usually) a very bad idea - spend it if you got it, if you can't spend it, try to upgrade something

13a) Never let mass overflow - you can't get it back.

14) Encourage newer players. we need more people playing.

15) Learn what to use to counter your opponent. Put it on notecards if you have to. It's easy to freeze up in game. Take a deep breath and think it out.

16) Build templates are your friend.

17) Remember to keep growing your eco.

I'm in the process of learning to do all these things myself.
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Re: A non-pro's Guide for other non-pros

Postby ZLO_RD » 29 May 2014, 22:21

Flipper wrote: and from Gyle.


i would replace Gyle with this
Spoiler: show
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK9yzeiZOnGLwT7dX8-lOrw Zock (Check "lessons" playlist, overal great channel)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYh0dZLbJoQ-I-So_GureAQ TA4Life (probably best channel about FA)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUkoV6-KBvApN71UTUPc8yQ Petcricpwnz (Pachurico) very much skill+hotbuild+eco
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNOZbc4ks2isqfHTnfWssfw Napalm (Cow) some rage-vids are awesome
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4-q8_lhFpYlp7IwhkIeSRQ Sheppard (Great channel)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGDc6uF8qRq1e9LS1cTayiA Lu_Xun (Great POV casts, good for learning)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-hBQqPh1rLIKAyrJfRRPkQ Aulex (MANY DOUBLE TRIPLE CASTS, they are pretty good)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiSEeCklvhXecxMUDWDN87Q Swkoll (pretty nice casts if you accept his voice)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzjTZO756lnwMZTIgARLJWw Lextoc (nice guy)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS9PWHnov5uP7aQpG3Tc5wQ Coalman (casts)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVytqMV-IMoQuscw6geLSVw Voodoo (1 vid or so)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6kwfslOdvMi1rtALc6Wj1Q Blodir (skilled player POVs)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC5QRBVNPkC-v27qTdl1CQw CrazedChariot (FAF4Life skilled player POVs)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMfEJdmVXE6jBSuMEezEldQ VoR_Tex (much micro and bomber micro)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzY7MBSgNLZOMxMIFwtf2bw Gyle (zooming into epic batlles action while missing what happens elsewhere)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkldHIS1O3EVQCwsBjaygwA Styrbjorn (Seton's)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7D4XhoA5BNm-jxRpAYj5eQ Comlination Nation (VERY FUN)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9-Abun_zaneGsN_0PHSvZQ The_Tempest (WWPC Champion, aeon, nice micro)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBETFsnnZN55Xkna8WgNIIA Andyrooooo (aka Magdalena, seton's)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeDYmpI7I2x-PgDXkCWdGnA Reddew32 (awfull, but watchable)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwK_UcA45bXFX8-0g1TPFUQ NuclearStorm (casts)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR81T7bZyRbHBVx9RwlfX_g Some one from BC
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8rfnRVnujT-KOAFo6jlNlA Another BC
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2FrYq5FToePHaGMxm9u-DA TAG_Rock (only one vid :(
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSmHcaoybl5LoQj_W9unjVg Cruelty (very very old casts)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrJrUkptYRCW1rcGtx_HE6g Zbinden (was banned on FAF :(
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfDMLNEwowi2QwScpbVIs4Q SeeTheWho (casts)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYKw1UW5uOqJOM-JU9FNjBQ Mw2Freakshow (casts)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCssvITHVdoh3PzfPA34R_gg RK4000 (mods)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4kJO2C3N6aZ9YROwR3zQag Wauweli (well edited vids)

almost forgot myself http://www.youtube.com/user/dimatularus , mostly POV vids, but i attemted to make some tutorial vids

From Gyle you only learn unit names

edited my spoiler :)
http://www.youtube.com/user/dimatularus
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Re: A non-pro's Guide for other non-pros

Postby Sir Prize » 30 May 2014, 03:41

Good guide, and yeah ZLO pretty much nailed it, watch the pros to improve, watch Gyle for colour commentary. ZLO, Zaphodx and Zock's pov vids were amazing, they basically doubled my rating. Thanks for the bigger list! :)

Edit: I'd actually add another point - get some time with one of the PT guys, my sessions helped me massively.
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Re: A non-pro's Guide for other non-pros

Postby E8400-CV » 30 May 2014, 04:23

Some mass in storage is a good idea. If you don't, planes will not repair on air staging facilities and you're probably at minus mass, meaning SMDs and nuke launchers take forever to load (not really proportional to shortage). Also: if you have spare build power all over the place (not that hard), mass in storage is very useful.

Example: you have a few hyves assisting a nuke launcher and you see a cloud of unexpected enemy gunships coming in. Just grab an engi, let hyves assist and you can coat the area with SAMS. If you don't have mass in storage that's not gonna happen.

Usually enemies will be rather pissed off when they find 20 SAMS standing there while last spyplane 20 seconds before showed no AA. :mrgreen:
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Re: A non-pro's Guide for other non-pros

Postby errorblankfield » 30 May 2014, 04:26

ZLO_RD wrote:
Flipper wrote: and from Gyle.


From Gyle you only learn unit names


Which isn't the worst thing actually... I know I wouldn't know half the names I know without gyle.
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Re: A non-pro's Guide for other non-pros

Postby Sir Prize » 30 May 2014, 07:10

Probably doesn't improve your play to know the names though. Don't get me wrong Gyle entertains and attracts people to the community which is GREAT, but he won't improve your play very much compared to ZLOs links.
E8400-CV wrote:Some mass in storage is a good idea. If you don't, planes will not repair on air staging facilities and you're probably at minus mass, meaning SMDs and nuke launchers take forever to load (not really proportional to shortage). Also: if you have spare build power all over the place (not that hard), mass in storage is very useful.

Example: you have a few hyves assisting a nuke launcher and you see a cloud of unexpected enemy gunships coming in. Just grab an engi, let hyves assist and you can coat the area with SAMS. If you don't have mass in storage that's not gonna happen.

Usually enemies will be rather pissed off when they find 20 SAMS standing there while last spyplane 20 seconds before showed no AA. :mrgreen:

Generally unspent mass is not a great idea, in that example you're better off checking Flipper's first point and frequently scouting enemy factories and build power than keeping mass on hand for spamming emergency static defences. There might be some situations where floating mass is ok (I really can't think of any), but that's advanced or at least highly situational play and should probably not be in a noob/average joe guide. Just my 2c.
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Re: A non-pro's Guide for other non-pros

Postby rockoe10 » 30 May 2014, 18:29

Number 6 gets me a lot. I'll be doing very well and have a possible chance to get a "cheesy" win and try desperately to get it, but end up giving up my lead and lose the game. When all I had to do was keep hacking away at his Eco like I do all game until my victory is assured.

For me, that's a common problem.
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Re: A non-pro's Guide for other non-pros

Postby The Hoff » 30 May 2014, 23:18

Good guide :)
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Re: A non-pro's Guide for other non-pros

Postby TheNinjas » 31 May 2014, 01:01

Flipper wrote:
8) Learn what mods are popular and get them. You are at a disadvantage if your opponent does and you don't. It sucks, but it's true.



Elaborate upon this please? Do you mean to say that someone can download a mod that will apply to them ON LADDER but not to their opponent, kind of like an advanced options menu? How does this work and where can I get some?
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Re: A non-pro's Guide for other non-pros

Postby JeeVeS » 31 May 2014, 01:20

Good tips. I would cut 5a and add "Spend time sandboxing if you're unclear about how certain units and abilities work. And trust me, you are."

Playing against the AI doesn't help you. If you want to practice a build order on a new map, you don't need the AI around to do it.

TheNinjas wrote:
Flipper wrote:
8) Learn what mods are popular and get them. You are at a disadvantage if your opponent does and you don't. It sucks, but it's true.



Elaborate upon this please? Do you mean to say that someone can download a mod that will apply to them ON LADDER but not to their opponent, kind of like an advanced options menu? How does this work and where can I get some?


Many mods are for the UI only. Thus they only apply to the person running them. Hotbuild, gaz, ecomanager, the various alerts, etc are all UI mods.
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