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25 Tips from The Hoff Semi-Pro Cybran Commander

Postby The Hoff » 27 May 2014, 14:53

Nothing to see here anymore
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Re: 25 Tips from The Hoff Semi-Pro Cybran Commander

Postby The Hoff » 27 May 2014, 14:54

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Re: 25 Tips from The Hoff Semi-Pro Cybran Commander

Postby Kalvirox » 27 May 2014, 16:14

The reason I and many other people disagree with guides and pages like this is that there are many different factors.
1. Map Meta
Albeit this is the least important one but Its generally a good idea for newer players too get the feel for the game

2. Map Sizes and Differences
Bigger maps play differently than smaller maps and saying "Larger maps afford more time to establish borders.".... Not quite as simple as that I am afraid... not too mention that different maps of the same size play differently. Maps with more choke points play differently than big open maps. Theta has a unique style too it altogether since the 4 core mexes are all spread out.

3. What you're opponent is doing
You say "scout you're opponent" You should probably specify more at what they should be looking for since telling people to scout is one thing but getting them to determine what their opponent is doing from what they have scouted is different. Don't worry this is a common problem. But if you're opponent is going for a fast t2 and you are just spamming what do you do? Get OC? yeah so that works for a while but if they send t2 in other directions it doesn't work... Kill them before t2.. yeah not simple as that, its easier but not as simple.. and if it fails you have just given them more reclaim for more t2 units :( .

4. Plans
A good plan works well and has different options... air heavy/fast t2/mass spam/whatever else each have different opening plays and generally 1 generic opening doesn't solve this issue.

5. Different race opponents
Different races play differently Ilshova hurt at t2 stage against cybran with few solutions aroura's (used effectively) chew through mantis. You get my point..

Don't get me wrong I and others are appreciative of what you are trying to do :) so take this as constructive criticism.

2 things You must have forgotten too include.

Cybran's strongest asset is their speed so runby's runby's runby's... at lower levels it kills most people..

Rhino medusa OP (you have not got past the 7 min stage of you're thing so its merely a reminder)
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Re: 25 Tips from The Hoff Semi-Pro Cybran Commander

Postby ICKEN » 27 May 2014, 17:34

D. If there is a hydrocarbon spot. Build a hydrocarbon power plant. Once done have a 1 T1 engineer surround it completely with t1 power storage.

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Re: 25 Tips from The Hoff Semi-Pro Cybran Commander

Postby Blodir » 27 May 2014, 19:15

this guide is pure gold
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Re: 25 Tips from The Hoff Semi-Pro Cybran Commander

Postby Mr-Smith » 27 May 2014, 19:39

haha surrounding hydro with storages in the first 1-4min.... thats suicide, there is no way that you can ever have mass for a storage at that time... even if you would have better upgrade a t1 mex or build more pgens,facs
really if you build more than 1 t1 storage before you have reached t3 stage you just waste mass.
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Re: 25 Tips from The Hoff Semi-Pro Cybran Commander

Postby Mad`Mozart » 27 May 2014, 19:43

Mr-Smith wrote:haha surrounding hydro with storages....
really if you build more than 1 t1 storage before you have reached t3 stage you just waste mass.

I disagree, 2-3 storages at t2 stage are damn good to have, also those eco maps where you dont have clear t3 stage, i usually queue like ~10 storages with 1 engie with some distance in between and forget about it. Nice to have if you suddenly got a nice boost of mass and want to spend it right away :)
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Re: 25 Tips from The Hoff Semi-Pro Cybran Commander

Postby Ithilis_Quo » 27 May 2014, 20:40

Mr-Smith wrote:really if you build more than 1 t1 storage before you have reached t3 stage you just waste mass


disagree when you want to hard use ACU on battlefield is good to had more than one, of course not waste 4000 mass as Mr. The Hoff suggest, but had 2-3 help a lot with OC, OC is reload every 3,3sec, but with one storage and cca + 50e income you will OC only twice, maybe 3time, with more storages you are welcome to ruin oponent
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Re: 25 Tips from The Hoff Semi-Pro Cybran Commander

Postby ZLO_RD » 27 May 2014, 23:10

lol guys, amount of storages depends on game and playstile... smith would like to have some t2 mex instead of ability go in battle and suisice his paper acu on some t2 tanks, some people would like to have ton of storage to be able to push agressively with acu.

but ofc, never build all storages together, unless you go for adjustency, and there is not much reason to make storages near hydro, and not reason much to have more than 1-2 storage before 10 min

you can make 3-4 storages in one line and then place two t2-t3 pgens around, but it depends on your opponent if he likes to punish such things or not, but anyway, 4 storage is only 4k damage and t3 power has ~8k hp and you can always place shield, so i like to connect storages to 2 t3 power like that, also in case of danger you can ctrl+k storages, so they explode without dealing damage
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Re: 25 Tips from The Hoff Semi-Pro Cybran Commander

Postby The Hoff » 28 May 2014, 04:07

Good discussion. I continue to add tips including why you surround the hydrocarbon with PStore :)
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