A request to the casters/pro's

[rockoe10]

Hello all you casters and Pro players. I have a small request of you if you don't mind.

I'm not the best player of supreme commander, especially of late. I seem to be picking up bad habits from watching lower rated players and simply goofing around. Because of this, I have stumbled into some poor quality game play on my part. After reviewing my games, and noticing my faults during games, I have determined my biggest problem to be my eco'ing skills. I never did have the best skills when it came to eco'ing, but with patch after patch, what little knowledge of the eco game I did have have sense dwindled. So, to my humble request...

Would any of you be able to either cast a pro player, or cast one of your own replays with more emphasis on the eco part? That is to say, what you/they are planing to do, how this impacts your military and build orders, and what the next step will be further in the game.

I understand many things can change the planning phase of a game (Starting with the map choice), but any game that you find that is balanced and can describe what is going on in the head of the player would be great.

Thanks a bunch!

-Rock

[Aulex]

Go watch this game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWg3j22 ... 9LS1cTayiA casted by luxy of blackheart vs blackdeath

[Vee]

When you're ecoing, follow these rules:

1. Upgrade one mex at a time.
2. Upgrade all safe mexes to t2 before making storages.
3. Surround a mass extractor with storages before upgrading it to t3.
4. Keep as little mass in storage as possible, but don't overbuild build capacity either.
5. RAS is very efficient. Upgrade it whenever you can use that much power, then reclaim your t1 & t2 power generators.

There's not much more to it than this. By the way, you're not the first here who thinks his problem is the eco game, and those before you were quite wrong. There are usually far more important things to improve than upgrading mexes more efficiently, especially if we're talking about 1v1. Just look at ZLO, who reached 2300 rating without upgrading any mexes.

[Vee]

I took the liberty to review your ladder game on badlands vs HidEx. In this game you lost because for the majority of the critical parts of the game you were overflowing most of your mass. On badlands 2 factories producing units is not enough to spend all your mass. Just build more factories until you are spending all your income. Build 50 of them if you have to.

[ZLO_RD]

Just want say that you should not overestimate reclaim, if you rely only on reclaim you mass income will spike whole game, and you will not able to balance it with your power and build power all the time.
you can Look on Yama_Dharma and Deathly for economy managing skills, their idea is just win by making more units and have better eco, they rarely focus on unit micro, but they still reclaim a lot, for example deathly upgraide all mexes to t2 so enemy see that he can raid, and he comes with suicide raid army and then deathly reclaim his dead t2 mass and enemy raid group
(i mean eco and reclaim is pretty strong, just look at blackheart's rating ^_^ )

[MadStork]

Just to follow up on Vee's post, if you find yourself overflowing mass (try to make sure this never happens in the first place), you should also consider upgrading 1-2 mexes in addition to spamming factories. Upgrading a mex is an instantaneous and productive way to significantly increase mass spending. Although I haven't watched the same replay, this was probably the way to go on a map like badlands which tends to have longer games.

[rockoe10]

Thanks All. I'll be sure to spend as much as I can. I've tried to reclaim more and thus have had too much mass in my storage. Building factories is probably my best hope in gaining some improvement. I'll try some of these ideas out and seem where it takes me.

Thanks again,
-Rock