0 mass wreck bug

[ZLO_RD]

Here is replay
after you TML cybran t2 mex with cybran TML (6000 damage to 3000hp building) it leave wreck with 0 mass in it (not sure about wreck hp)
but when you rebuild on top of that wreck you get 50% buiding done
also when you try reclaim it, you get no mass but it takes full time to reclaim it
and if you half reclaim it building will start at about 25%

sorry i did not test with other factions... there should not be wreck after t2 mex was TMLed

Edit, maybe it only feels long to recalim 0 mass wreck casue of other bug that were found (slow reclaim)

[FunkOff]

How is this a bug? There's such a thing as "overkill". When you do more damage to something than it has HP remaining, the wreck is worth less and, as you can see when you nuke a base, if the overkill is great enough the wreck doesn't show up at all.

[ZLO_RD]

How is this a bug? There's such a thing as "overkill". When you do more damage to something than it has HP remaining, the wreck is worth less and, as you can see when you nuke a base, if the overkill is great enough the wreck doesn't show up at all.

3000 hp buiding, 6000 damage missile -> should be no wreckage, am i correct?

anyway it is not happening with mexes/missiles of other factions
and also if you reclaim you get no mass, but if you rebuild you get 50% of buiding... that is weird

[Ze_PilOt]

I've looked into the issue, but sadly the code for the rebuild bonus is called by the engine, and at a step where it's not possible to compute a rebuild bonus related to the heath of the wreck.

[ZLO_RD]

I've looked into the issue, but sadly the code for the rebuild bonus is called by the engine, and at a step where it's not possible to compute a rebuild bonus related to the heath of the wreck.

3000 hp building should not leave wreck in the 1rst place against 6000 damage... can we fix that?

[Mr-Smith]

would reducing the HP of the t2 mex by like 1 fix it ?

[ZLO_RD]

or mayebe TML damage by 1?

[errorblankfield]

I know you're being silly, but I think some sorta rounding error might be at play and adding one damage to the TML might not actually do anything... not worth over thinking though. The hotfix is easy either way.

The problem isn't really that a <0 hp wreck can be made. It's odd, but technically a .00001 HP wreck* can stay in the game without issue. The problem is that it takes just as long to reclaim AND can be rebuilt for free mass (50% construction time).

We really need to make engies reclaim at a rate determined by build power. So in this case, the .000001 mass inside is reclaimed instantly without really helping.
Moreover, rebuilding doesn't care about spawned HP apparently. While mass seems to be correctly decreasing as the mass experiences more overkill, rebuilding gives a flat 50% buyback. The only time this goes down is if you reclaim and then build. This shouldn't be.
From the time of spawn, reclaim/rebuild needs to be tied to HP. Rather linear relationship so nothing crazy. A 10% decrease in HP should show a 10% decrease in mass collectable and 5% in pre-rebuild. And all this relationships need to compliment each other currently -as in reclaiming hurts the wreck for the same amount of damage.

Minor inconsistency in the game, but something worth fixing at some point.

Helps balance mass/wrecks a bit too.

*This is my guess at what is happening. The missile is dealing an odd amount of damage slightly less than 6000 or overkill isn't carrying over correctly leaving the wreck with a sliver of health.

I hope this game has fractions in the code or a lot of this looks silly. XD

[Golol]

rebuilding does care about the wreck hp, if thats what you meant.
i tried it once and when i half reclaimed a wreck a building on it started with less HP.
otherwise you could reclaim something to 1 mass, rebuild it at 50 mass, reclaim again, rebuild again = infinite mass

[ZLO_RD]

rebuilding does care about the wreck hp, if thats what you meant.
i tried it once and when i half reclaimed a wreck a building on it started with less HP.
otherwise you could reclaim something to 1 mass, rebuild it at 50 mass, reclaim again, rebuild again = infinite mass

yea that is inf bass but you need to have power for that xD

also people report that wreck do not care about overkill, however care about if is gets reclaimed or damaged

i will check