SCU build rate to low?

[LordFappington69]

build rate for a t3 engy is 40, yet a SCU is only 56. This just doesnt seem right considering the t3 commander is around 120. The SCU should have a build rate of at least 2 t3 engys

[D4E_Omit]

Not really, if you want it to build faster anyway you can get the Rapid fabrication on it which will make it's build rate 96.

A t3 engy is 490 mass, a SCU is 2000 mass. That's just 4 t3 engies, now take in note that it has 15-20k hp (depending on race) and a cannon to protect itself. If the build rate would be 96 out of gate and 128 with rapid fabricator there wouldnt be a point anymore to build t3 engies.

Edit: I like your name anyway

[pip]

Only Aeon and Seraphim t3 engineers have 40 buildrate, Cybran and UEF have 30. This is to make up for the lack of engineering stations, and that's why they have a buildrate not too far from SCU.

[laPPen]

I am not sure if that better buildpower on sera and aeon scu s (and t3 engys?) is still needed with engy mod.
I always felt that was a bit unfair and like an in between solution ( not very elegant) to help them with buildpower. I think they already have the coolest upgrades on their scus.

[IceDreamer]

As long as UEF drones get shot by ASFs, I will regard the lower buildpower on their T3 Engineer as a mistake. Drones never get built for that reason, that one pass by an ASF swarm will level your entire base.

[Mycen]

I also remember commenting that giving Seraphim and Aeon better engineers because they don't have engineering stations didn't really make sense. Considering the relative limitations of engineering stations compared to engineers (especially sacrificeable aeon engineers) it takes what is supposed to be a factional advantage (engineering stations) and almost turns it into a disadvantage. (Worse engineers.)

Plus, since the UEF don't have the rapid fabricator option for their SCUs (the drone's measly buildpower isn't even worth it) they really get the short end of the stick from such a setup.

[Ato0theJ]

UEF does have the sparky though, which has very nice hp compared to t3 aeon and phim engies. It has a comparable buildpower/mass and can survive an arty drop facing much less losses thanks to their gun. Also, no t1 bomber can kill them without dropping at least 3 bombs. It is also the fastest of the engineers and has radar. Nothing is better for cleaning up mass fields.

[Mycen]

UEF does have the sparky though, which has very nice hp compared to t3 aeon and phim engies. It has a comparable buildpower/mass and can survive an arty drop facing much less losses thanks to their gun. Also, no t1 bomber can kill them without dropping at least 3 bombs. It is also the fastest of the engineers and has radar. Nothing is better for cleaning up mass fields.

Hmm... I hadn't thought of that.

I do use the Sparky extensively, for exactly the reasons you describe, but I had never considered it at T3 and above for non-combat purposes only. I suppose UEF buildpower is much like the rest of the faction - most effective when relatively varied across tech level as well as type. That's pretty cool.

[Cantor]

Mass per buildpower:

t1 engi: 10.4
t2 engi: 12.8
sparky: 12.9
aeon/sera t3 engi: 12.25
uef/cybran t3 engi: 16.3
kennel: 25.0
hive: 14.0

[Nombringer]

Mass per buildpower:

t1 engi: 10.4
t2 engi: 12.8
sparky: 12.9
aeon/sera t3 engi: 12.25
uef/cybran t3 engi: 16.3
kennel: 25.0
hive: 14.0

What about SCU's?