open discussion about what happens

[dstojkov]

Hi guys,


In order to avoid what happens I would be reasonable to discuss it to not reproduce this happening again.


Let's discuss what you wish to have for the patching system and see what kind of solution could be proposed to ZeP without harassing or blame him after all he is not responsible of the change.

Clearly the pushing from the "Elite" is really annoying for a lot of us let's just hear what do you propose to make it better not to criticize it because it will bring nothing but ban or lock the topic. Let's behave like a mature community


Regards

[Ze_PilOt]

I've said it many, many, many times, I've done FAF to be able to make the game better.

I believe the change to the engies is a good way to make FA better than it is now, more easy and more fluid to everybody.

BUT I don't want to force a big change to everyone if they don't like it (unlike you think, there is no "pushing from the Elite", or the survey won't be there, the balance period would be closed to everyone but a few,....)

That's why there is this survey and only two solutions:

- We continue to patch FA forward and that goes with this change first. (even if nothing is written in stone if something is proven bad for gameplay).
- You don't want that change, and for me it's a big refusal of the way I see FA evolving. I have no point continuing a project I don't believe in, so I stop patching.

Some people said it's a threat, but it's a fact. I won't lie about it. I don't want to continue to work on FAF if it doesn't fit the way I see it.
They are thinking that the poll is biased because there is no "not that change but continue patching", but that path doesn't exists for me.
I really don't want to continue if my view on the future of FAF doesn't fit the view of (most of) its users.

For me it's a no-brainer. If the change is bad, we revert it. If it's good, we keep it.
I really don't get the people voting no, but, well, it's their right to not like change. But it's not the way I want to do things.

[Kekouse]

Just to say...
I Know Zep for quite a long time as we played FA together in the beginning (2006 or something like that). I'm quite amazed for what he has done (with the help of others). He is stubborn and well for coding FAF this long we can say it's a good flaw

What I wanted to say is that if I was in the place of Zep, I would not bother asking the community about balance, I would permaban every troll asap and I would be really sarcastic about all this fuss "oh you stole my game you monster you". You are not happy with FAF? Go away and play with the beautiful Steam version.
Yes I would act like a d***...because...you know what it's not your lobby. And acting like a d*** is WAY easier than manage all those gamer-egos.

Instead Zep is acting quite good. I was astonished about those polls. POLLS, ASKING THOSE SILLY PLAYERS?!? Asking about the engy mod...really? It was quite a gamble and it worked.
I say all that because I know that it cost time and energy to be "nice". I wouldn't do it and I quite sure that Zep is not fan of the "patience" way
So to all whiners... between what could be FaF and what it is...fell lucky

[eXcalibur]

hi,


i like the changes in the engy redesign mod and i voted for "not sure, but i trust the judgement of the pros" (i hope this counts as approval for the new patch as well). before the 3-months development cycle, i actually liked the update process more, but i can understand the reasons for the current updating system.

my idea is to reduce the 3-months development cycle to a 2-months development cycle (but the duration could be decided by vote again - this would be fair). balance discussions should be allowed all the time, but in a separate sub-forum (and all balance discussions should be moved there). the sub-forum should be drastically edited and split into parts (every unit, faction, and tier should have their own sub-sub-forum and only discussion about this subject is allowed).
in the last month of the development cycle the the test mod gets released and updated with all the results of the balance discussions. after that period the test mod gets locked for 10-14 days. within that period, everybody who has finished a game with the test mod, which lasted longer than 30 minutes, is asked to take a survey about the test mod. the results of the survey determine whether the test mod becomes official or not. after that point of time, there are only hotfixes allowed and the 2-month development cycle starts all over again.


faf changes are independent of this development cycle, since they do not affect gameplay.

[dstojkov]

I would permaban every troll asap and I would be really sarcastic about all this fuss "oh you stole my game you monster you"

This is actually not fitting the living community that we are dude get it once for all I don't say that only for you but also for all people thinking like that.

The Zep's wish an legit wish is to continue working on FAF continuously. If he build faf on this purpose I don't know why we should take it away from him.

This say most people agree on patching the game this is actually not the problem. The problem is how this is made.

I would suggest to have a wish list of the "Elite" like now and also a wish list of the "others". The others choose in the "Elite"wish list what to discuss and implement and the "Elite" choose from the "other" wish list what to discuss and implement.

At the end of this period of 3 month or whatever a survey the like how good this change are should we try something else or hold it.

From another point of view the adapt time is also a problem for a lot of people. They need somehow something stable to improve.

I really would have two patch ( branch ? ) or more if we need we can discuss about it to allow the new one a better integration in the game. Like 36XX is more "easy " integration that the 3599 were. At least two branch ( ladder ? ) for the newbie till middle and one for the experimented. It will avoid the mix of league or the so called smurfing effect that make so much people complaining. After all it was so in GPG why not improve this point for the sake of integration ?

[Eukanuba]

There's a lot of Chicken Littles running around claiming the sky is falling, but there has not been a single bad change to FA that has not been reverted very quickly (the godawful air units losing targets issue comes to mind as particularly bad, but it just serves to prove that BAD THINGS GET FIXED ASAP).

Zep's gone so far above and beyond the call of duty in what has been achieved with FAF, and he's proven time and again that he's committed to doing a superbly professional job. Personally I have not played the engie mod, because I don't trust myself to be good enough to judge if it is a good overall change. But I know that if somehow some glaring error in it has been missed it will be picked up quickly and fixed.

And as for it fundamentally changing the way FA plays? How far do you have to have your head up your backside to think that all of the best FA players would agree unanimously to turn it into a totally different game?

[Wakke]

+1 for further patching. If a group of players desires playing an old version of FA(F), a mod can be created for that (like the 3599 mod)..

[dstojkov]

How far do you have to have your head up your backside to think that all of the best FA players would agree unanimously to turn it into a totally different game

No Eukanuba the representation of our best player is only a part of the great player that were on GPG. I will not say they speak in the name of all of them among the best player. If they pretend so then they are liars. So, that they want to change the game is nothing new so far the change behold the spirit of FA otherwise yes we can also make out out of it a multiplayer bomberman and convince people this is the best patch ever made to FA and the worst is that some will believe is truth ....

[ColonelSheppard]

I really don't get the people voting no, but, well, it's their right to not like change.

I for example dont get why people are looking TV shows on RTL2.

it's a tradeoff, you like, you elect the FDP in our country and get lower taxes but at the same time you get less social caring
so most people simply dont vote
but if you want to vote you can either throw a coin or think what you find better in someway

[dstojkov]

a mod can be created for that (like the 3599 mod)

I really would have a 3599 featured mod because a lot of people is annoying in download it and the installation for people from steam is not the same that the one with the CD. This mod is already been done it would be nice to have it integrated into FAF but for some reason it is not allowed

But more general a mod vault would be a really great feature for FAF and more ladder will definitively stop all strike in our community as everyone can play what he want an contribute to what he like.

For example a diamond ladder blackops ladder a 3599 ladder with of course our current ladder. It could gather so much people instead of people living because they don't like this or that