Why can't ACU make storage/hydro?

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Why can't ACU make storage/hydro?

Postby Veta » 02 Mar 2013, 21:47

y?
FA is a game of economic micromanagement (what StarCraft players mistakenly call 'macro') and tactical trumping (e.g. T2 PD countering T1 Spam).
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Re: Why can't ACU make storage/hydro?

Postby Rediska » 02 Mar 2013, 21:59

Yeah, that is strange, but from very begining 2007 from SupCom 1 ACU can't build it.
Live with it.
I adore FA.
But I have all the right to hate it because I cant really play any other RTS anymore because of it. They looks like small boring sandboxes without sense. Thank you genious Chris Taylor!
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Re: Why can't ACU make storage/hydro?

Postby Eukanuba » 02 Mar 2013, 22:18

The TA commander had only a limited subset of the T1 buildings available to him, and SupCom followed this example. It's to encourage people to make engineers rather than rely on the commander.

Of course there are plenty of other good reasons to make engineers in a competitive multiplayer game, but I still like that the commander can't build everything off the bat. It fits in with the idea of making the commander as simple as possible to making quantum gating less expensive, and it also acts as another level of progression.
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Re: Why can't ACU make storage/hydro?

Postby ColonelSheppard » 02 Mar 2013, 22:46

So you cannot just go for a Hydro first with your commander. And storrage probably that you cannot just OC :)
or because you can hardcore dmg buildings with it

it always has been, i guess deal with it (let's just say it has balance reason xD)
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Re: Why can't ACU make storage/hydro?

Postby ZaphodX » 03 Mar 2013, 01:08

The lore was that porting your commander took vast amounts of energy and only the bare minimal amount of blueprints could be loaded with the commander when he ported into a new map.
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Re: Why can't ACU make storage/hydro?

Postby Veta » 04 Mar 2013, 18:52

so there is no reason?

i mean i'm sure this could be game-breaking, imagine all the players going hydro first instead of bomber first. or the ACU making mass storage, wow GG, mercies move over. maybe it could be balanced with a separate upgrade. you could get T2 | GUN | or storage blue print upgrade. Might be OP early on though.

real talk - these replies are dripping with cognitive dissonance, for -what i thought- was a community that took pride in the lack of trivial limitations in its game this is pretty derpy. Maybe it made sense in 2005 beta when the com could 1 shot CZARs out of the air, base trade you on finns, and overcharge with impunity but today and in this iteration of supreme commander there is no cheese/"lore"/competitive advantage to be gained here. maybe my approach has been brash and as such the notion won't be considered unprejudiced but it would make sense to put this into a balance mod.

i wish i remembered the quote but it was along the lines of "never make the assumption that the default is the optimal"
FA is a game of economic micromanagement (what StarCraft players mistakenly call 'macro') and tactical trumping (e.g. T2 PD countering T1 Spam).
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Re: Why can't ACU make storage/hydro?

Postby ZaphodX » 04 Mar 2013, 19:11

Well it adds a layer of strategy with engineer usage and t2 engineering upgrade. Why remove that?
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Re: Why can't ACU make storage/hydro?

Postby Valki » 04 Mar 2013, 19:26

ZaphodX wrote:Well it adds a layer of strategy with engineer usage and t2 engineering upgrade. Why remove that?

It adds a limitation, not strategy.

Strategy results from having as many viable choices as possible.
Wouldn't you say that FAF offers more opening strategies because you can build an air factory whenever you want, instead of having to first build a cybernetics core such as in Starcraft 2?
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Re: Why can't ACU make storage/hydro?

Postby TheDB » 04 Mar 2013, 20:05

Valki wrote:Strategy results from having as many viable choices as possible.


Creating options is a strategy, having options is not.


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Re: Why can't ACU make storage/hydro?

Postby ColonelSheppard » 04 Mar 2013, 20:07

well, i could spam this thread with my ideas of continuity in balancing, but for now i will just counter you quote with another

If it's not broken, dont fix it!
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