Ladder maps

[armacham01]

Also, I do like the idea of playing 1v1s on generated maps and I've done it in custom games. If those lobbies were more popular that would go a long way towards convincing people that there is demand for having generated maps on the ladder.

[FtXCommando]

The maps generated are terrible for 1v1 and fail fo follow basic mapping principles. If current authored maps and generated maps look the same to you, I just don’t know what to say to you. The best ones I’ve generated so far might just barely squeeze by the minimum acceptability rating for a viable ladder map.

I’ve already given comments to the dev of the generator, don’t see the point in repeating myself here.

I’m also not doing this make 50 maps and choose 5 from it for ladder idea. That’s an absurd amount of work and anyone involved with ladder is gonna burn out within 2 pools of doing that system. Especially when you add on additional matchmaker pools.

By the way, the map biass just showed is going to be a terrible time in a ladder game. Look at the mountains basically dissuading all interaction between players. It’s literally a worse ladder map than dual gap.

[biass]

I take it you're firmly in the "5 maps in the pool for everyone tops" camp; since you talk about memorizing build order

So I don't see exactly what you're saying there. I thought the side that wanted memorised BO to the last second was crushed in the polls on map pool?

Do your research before you act so mighty.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15551&hilit=ladder+pool+size#p157535

Or at least try to remember, because you even wrote in that thread yourself.

plus the parameters of this map generator (I'm sure you realized as you were generating this one) are quite configurable. so you could for example have less to no water on larger maps, not that larger maps are predominant on ladder I thought we also agreed?

The ladder pool is not going to be able to reroll the map and adjust settings per each map. It does not do it with adaptive maps and it will not do it here. I clicked generate in the lobby ONCE and rolled this abomination; I couldn't have asked for a better example. Furthermore, the map is of such a low visual standard that user created maps made of the same standard are oft removed from the vault and their authors on rare occasion banned from uploading.

I'm sure the dev is aware of this, as well as what he discussed with FtX in the PC discord.

I also agree with FtX that if you can't tell the difference between the example I posted and a user created map, you don't have what is required for a discussion about the topic. I don't know how you fix that, go make some comparisons? get better at the game? dunno.

[tatsu]

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[FtXCommando]

we

This isn't a "we" debate but a "me" debate.

I can tell you don't know mapping principles, don't need to reemphasize.

To reiterate, I'm already working with the developer of the map generator and there is nothing to be gained by me explaining why it's bad at making competitive maps here.

[tatsu]

there is nothing to be gained by me explaining why it's bad at making competitive maps here.

What no talking? on a forum?

No I think you can do better than a :

“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”

on the freaking FAF forum.

[keyser]

you can find all the information you want here : https://discord.com/channels/4562961000 ... 1133714443

[tatsu]

404 :

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is that something to make me take the hint or which channel is it?

[Sheikah]

One reason to avoid using generated maps is that we won't be able to watch the replays (unless FAF starts saving every single randomly-generated map, OR if it saves the seeds AND it saves the code to generate a map from a seed)

Just as a note this has been fixed in client version 1.1.9 so generated map replays are now watchable. The map will be regenerated when the replay is opened as the map name is the seed.

[FtXCommando]

keyser just linked the ladder channel on the Discord in my signature, not sure why it didn't open for you.