32 Player Support

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Re: 32 Player Support

Postby mirddes » 23 Jul 2020, 12:02

I have extensive experience hosting successful 16 player games.
i have a 5x5 16v16 summer duel which is perfect for playtesting 32 player.

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125 unitcap (share with all on death), fullshare, the smallest maps and a strong local player base is essential for hosting the best large lobbies. 125/5x5 does make international 16player matches viable. 20x20 16 player 500 unitcap lags fairly reliably, any more map or units makes the whole thing fall over. the amount of idiots who insist on hosting massive lobbies on large maps with large unit caps is the reason why large lobbies get such hate. 125 units is very good. 250 is decent. any more an the unit cap expands too quickly as people die and early spam is too easy.

implementing all measures to mitigate lag certainly gives the lobby the best chance of success. the reality is that 8v8 with 125 units is 1k per side. 16x16 brings it up to a grand total of 4k maximum units on the map. on a tiny map thats really a lot of units. when you do hit your unit cap because spam, then it is easy to give it to your allies, along with static defences etc. and carry on spamming. team work is most crucial and appreciated in 8v8. full voice chat makes the whole experience shine. 32 player lobbies means you don't have to kick the few people who showed up at the last minute.

full share ensures when someone drops, the game just carries on. people do complain about fullshare for long list of reasons. but its all mute because 16/32 player is not the meta the fullshare detractors normally play so their opinion is irrelevant. on more competitive maps with sane numbers of players, share until death makes perfect sense.

Tangentially i'd love to see the return of "Share after death" the status quo pre Fullshare/ShareUntilDeath. additionally LOUD also has a mode where you have to kill all the ACUs AND SACUs. maybe not the best idea for 32 player but lmao id try :) sharing armies does indeed sound fun. i would like to try a 16 player and 32player match with shared armies ;)


tl;dr
the main factors for good large lobbies are

player count
map size
unitcap
relative player connections.

the higher the first value, the lower the other 3 values must be.
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Re: 32 Player Support

Postby RedX » 24 Jul 2020, 03:34

It's funny, I was just thinking that your 16-player summer duel games sucking up all the players was changing my mind and making me not want 32-player games...
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Re: 32 Player Support

Postby Morax » 24 Jul 2020, 22:57

I thought this was a joke until I got directed to the thread.

As FTX said, 8v8 was a mistake in itself.
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Re: 32 Player Support

Postby mirddes » 02 Aug 2020, 23:40

Morax wrote:I thought this was a joke until I got directed to the thread.

As FTX said, 8v8 was a mistake in itself.



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Re: 32 Player Support

Postby Farmsletje » 03 Aug 2020, 00:40

even more people would appreciate astro craters in ladder. what are we waiting for?
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Re: 32 Player Support

Postby Captcha-Lover » 03 Aug 2020, 04:14

I don't think astro would make a good ladder map.
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Re: 32 Player Support

Postby Mvk » 03 Aug 2020, 15:42

8x8 might of been a mistake, but i still agree for it being a good idea.

16x16 would be nice, but without 40km and higher maps, doesnt seem to relevant.
Dont get me wrong, Im sure there are mainly instances to be able to run it for say "scenario compromise" , only 8 players have ACUs, rest have SACUs and/or engineers to start with in whatever combination, but still.

Even then if so, I would say could still be worth it, rather with or without.

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Re: 32 Player Support

Postby nine2 » 05 Aug 2020, 17:02

This project ended with an unknown technical limitation somewhere and no one bothering to look into it. Astro craters in ladder is totally doable tho
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Re: 32 Player Support

Postby Turinturambar » 05 Aug 2020, 18:31

Astro craters in ladder is totally doable tho


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Re: 32 Player Support

Postby nine2 » 07 Aug 2020, 00:58

nein ... nine? eight? ah! octogap in ladder
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