We already tried this and it go too complicated, too quick for anyone to own it:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15554&p=157616#p157616
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keyser wrote:Steel_Panther wrote:And this shouldn't be too difficult to implement.
i'm curious how you would implement it. Would you give specific rating for each map ? (so you have several thousand possible rating) and in this case if someone get high rating on thermo then join a "the pass" for the first time he won't be rated properly.
Or you want to group the rating of all gap together ? How do you achieve this ? by adding a tag on maps ? it would then require to review maps to be able to add the labels to the new one. And what are your groups of maps ? gap and dual gap together ? the pass and thermo together ? or astro craters likes + gaps likes + thermo likes are grouped together for a "turtle map rating" ?
I can go even more on this, this is far more difficult to implement than at first thought. The closest idea to something achievable was the trueskill 2 integration by sheeo. But i've no idea if it would fix the issue entirely, and the workload it would require.
Morax wrote:We already tried this and it go too complicated, too quick for anyone to own it:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15554&p=157616#p157616
FaF going in circles per usual...
Steel_Panther wrote:Morax wrote:We already tried this and it go too complicated, too quick for anyone to own it:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15554&p=157616#p157616
FaF going in circles per usual...
Without reading the whole thread after cookienoob's post...my suggestion doesn't have to be anywhere near as complicated to be still very, very helpful. It is something added on top of the global rating, not an attempt to rebalance the global rating. Wouldn't you like to know if someone joining your game with a 1500 rating and 1300 games has: 11 games and a 700 estimated rank on [Canis, or whatever map], or 100 games on that map and 1600 rating estimated? You might guess they have gotten decent at some other map, possibly another team game map, but that's highly unlikely given how few games they have on a very popular standard team game map...so you can maybe expect them to play at about 1k. I think that's a whole lot better than, "well, apparently 1500, let's see how this goes, because I'm not going to waste time looking through every person's match history, which might not be very illustrative anyway if you don't feel like being extraordinarily thorough."
keyser wrote:so you still use the global rating ? So that mean that you will be balancing the game with the map rating and the global rating ? Honestly there is plenty of flaws (i already enumerated some in my last post) would be better to wait for trueskill #2 that does take into account the map into his calculation. In the end you have only 1 rating which may variate depending on the map you are on. And you don't show the rating, so that people don't complain that their rating changed when the map changed.
Petricpwnz wrote:biass on his campaign to cleanse and remake every single map of FAF because he is an untolerating reincarnation of mapping hitler
biass wrote:Map specific crap like this is and was always very easy to circumvent.
Please understand how the vault works and try again.
People can just upload a new map and have their global rating show instead of a "gap rating" or have a 0 map specific rating.
The vault police will always be way too late to correct the new arrival, if you can even motivate a group of people to do this job in the first place (with the new vault LUL)
TMM is the solution in my opinion, making something even easier to do than joining a lobby. (hopefully)
Until then, make better teamgame maps.
Steel_Panther wrote:Not really, because the people complaining about inaccurate global ratings aren't the ones that play one of the 10x10^1000 iterations of gap.
Steel_Panther wrote: E.g. setons: there is one version.
Steel_Panther wrote:No one is going to make a new version just so that their map rating will be reduced.
Petricpwnz wrote:biass on his campaign to cleanse and remake every single map of FAF because he is an untolerating reincarnation of mapping hitler
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