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down rating after winning

Postby trampek » 21 Oct 2019, 20:24

hey
i noticed i go down rating after winning i looked around found that new feature that shows numbers on replay and there is some serious bug , its common
look at this replays at rating change section ...

10395740
10395076
10395767

easy to find , 2 are mine and i found 3rd in like 1 min ... i dont think it works as it should or there is some troll reward code now or what ?

100% its not downlord thing problem and it shows correct values cos as i said at start i did wonder why i go down after win game and start search
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Re: down rating after winning

Postby armacham01 » 21 Oct 2019, 20:30

There is at least one known bug causing this

There is an existing forum thread to report when this happens - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12109

In the long run, the bug is probably fixable and eventually they might fix it. I don't know whether they consider it a priority. I don't really care (the ratings system is pretty good as-is)

The devs will NOT add or subtract rating points to try to "fix" any one bad rating change
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Re: down rating after winning

Postby trampek » 21 Oct 2019, 20:34

i think its more common that it was before or i was just lucky until now , still twice in row for my games today and then i think i clicked on 3rd map for all players and found it again
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Re: down rating after winning

Postby Geosearchef » 22 Oct 2019, 11:49

Your rating going down after a win is something that's completely expected (read up on trueskill) and normal.
It happening that often is a bit unlikeky though. There are sometimes provlems reporting the score of a game, that is known. You should take a look if you won the game and what your deviation and mean before and after were.

Displayed rating = mean - 3*deviation
Your mean is the performance you're expected to play at, the deviation is the average deviation from that. The displayed rating is called the 3 sigma percentile and represents the skill at which you are expected to play with a 99,7% probability. So if you win a game you are not expected to win the systrm's uncertainty will go up (mean goes up as well) invreasing deviation which has a factor of 3 therefore dropping your displayed 3 sigma percentile. You wimm win that back in the long run if you play consistently.

You can get your player id using the !player command on discord. Insert it here: (INTO THE URL ITSELF)
https://api.faforever.com/data/gamePlay ... -scoreTime
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Re: down rating after winning

Postby Blodir » 22 Oct 2019, 17:44

I lost a lot of points, like 40+, after winning 20% game quality games (i think twice or more) in gcw (my team being the one highly expected to win)... so probably we are talking about a bug rather than expected behavior.
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Re: down rating after winning

Postby lilSidlil » 23 Oct 2019, 09:23

This problem exists since the advent of FAF. But there is another side - sometimes I get pts for losing, however, this happens less often.
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Re: down rating after winning

Postby Rikai » 24 Oct 2019, 15:40

Geosearchef wrote:You can get your player id using the !player command on discord. Insert it here: (INTO THE URL ITSELF)
https://api.faforever.com/data/gamePlay ... -scoreTime

When replacing "playerIDhere" with my player ID, I still get an error message:
https://api.faforever.com/data/gamePlay ... -scoreTime
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Re: down rating after winning

Postby Ithilis_Quo » 27 Oct 2019, 12:34

I found this very random. I get lost and grab point no matter what happened in game. In one 1v1 i lost like 40 points when I won. The balance was around 50%.

In this game half of the team get and half lost points, same in enemy team :D, you even should guess which side actually won.
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