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Re: Upcoming Elections

Postby Asparagus » 12 Apr 2019, 19:04

How about a new balance councilor? The game is shit right now...
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Re: Upcoming Elections

Postby biass » 13 Apr 2019, 05:47

What purpose will sporadically changing the balance solve? Even with a perfectly balanced game, you would still be estimated to only win 50% of all your games granted you played against similarly skilled opponents.

Because the only thing to gain from playing right now is rating, you would only be making progress towards that half the time, the other half would actively involve you losing that progress. that's not fun to deal with in this long, slow grind of a game.

What the game needs is additional incentives to keep playing long after the initial wonder and optimism of a new game and community has been drained from a players system. Else we will just keep shedding off more and more players.

Will anything change to suit this? Not with the bimonthly dev civil war happening right now. But if you want this backwater community to thrive, I'll support anyone looking to help keep people playing.
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Re: Upcoming Elections

Postby E8400-CV » 18 Apr 2019, 05:28

FtXCommando wrote:As an example, the general player on FAF is an 800 rated astro crater/dual gap player. In order to appeal to said player, are people going to be arguing about the need to allow cheaper t2 stage to make 5x5s easier or is the general debate instead going to hover around whether we need to introduce a t4 mex to make the late game more fun?


No, much easier. We want a way tot do away with the simspeed laggers. :roll:

You get a way to eject people that time out, also give a way to eject simspeed laggers too. Too many games are ruined because some douchebag starts streaming on a laptop...
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Re: Upcoming Elections

Postby Heaven » 20 Apr 2019, 18:52

instead of bureaucratizing meaningless councilor roles, can you guys just demote the current balance team, roll back to july 2016 balance, implement a quality filter for uploaded maps and add a third rating category for dual gap/thermo/voodoo?

i'd like to play again, but right now binge drinking my weekends away is the more entertaining way of losing braincells compared to playing faf
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Re: Upcoming Elections

Postby FtXCommando » 20 Apr 2019, 20:56

Imagine calling a role meaningless and then have one of your lists of demands involve the responsibility of that role. If you want some maps unrated or you want to enforce a certain system about map uploading, then take up the M&M spot or find someone to run that shares your view.

Dunno who you expect to take up balance work if you just genocide the current team nor who would even be responsible for choosing the next balance councillor without a balance team existing to make the choice.

A third rating category for a specific map is a pretty bad idea regardless, but adding new rating categories is actually pretty annoying in FAF server code because a lot of the system was built on the pretext of just having two ratings. With team matchmaker development being looked at now, this is one of the major initial issues to overcome.
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Re: Upcoming Elections

Postby Heaven » 21 Apr 2019, 11:11

FtXCommando wrote:Imagine calling a role meaningless and then have one of your lists of demands involve the responsibility of that role.

i doubt anyone has taken the time to even define what the responsibilities of the m&m councilor are. if anyone had and what you said is part of his role, why did the the last one neglect this area completely?

FtXCommando wrote:Dunno who you expect to take up balance work if you just genocide the current team nor who would even be responsible for choosing the next balance councillor without a balance team existing to make the choice.

faf doesn't need balance changes, it was good at one point. never change a running business. if you want to spice up the game with new stuff, add content or customization, but don't change around balance for the sake of variety. it's gonna take forever till the bad changes from the last 1-2 years are rolled back, as doing it all in one sweep would actually require the balance team to publicly admit that they made the game boring, which is never gonna happen no matter how much the community complains

FtXCommando wrote:A third rating category for a specific map is a pretty bad idea regardless, but adding new rating categories is actually pretty annoying in FAF server code because a lot of the system was built on the pretext of just having two ratings. With team matchmaker development being looked at now, this is one of the major initial issues to overcome.

then unrank the maps in the third category, whatever. just can't have players of turtle maps get the same kind of rating they get in regular team games, because their skill isn't comparable.
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Re: Upcoming Elections

Postby QuestionMarkNoob » 21 Apr 2019, 11:53

Heaven wrote: faf doesn't need balance changes,

Every game needs balance changes, which is the reason why almost every major competitive game gets balance changes. The playstyles of the players change constantly, and the balance has to be adapted to reflect that.

Heaven wrote: it was good at one point.

No, it wasn’t. For most of the changes made since then there was a definite reason to why said changes were made. The t2 stage had the most units, yet it was seen the least; T4 units were able to get 10k hp insta vets; teleporting acus were uncatchable; 3 t1 engies could almost instantly clean up and entire reclaim field; most mmls were extremely bad; Loyalists could perma stun an acu; etc…

I don’t see how any of this is supposed to be good. I personally wouldn’t want to play in the balance from 3 years ago.

Heaven wrote: never change a running business.

The player count is about the same, right? And that with steam linking?

Heaven wrote: if you want to spice up the game with new stuff, add content or customization, but don't change around balance for the sake of variety. it's gonna take forever till the bad changes from the last 1-2 years are rolled back, as doing it all in one sweep would actually require the balance team to publicly admit that they made the game boring, which is never gonna happen no matter how much the community complains

Stating that “the community” complains is like saying “everyone hates x”. From what I have seen there are several parties which like and dislike the changes made to the game. It is simply not as black and white as you want to make it look like.
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Re: Upcoming Elections

Postby ACCURACY » 21 Apr 2019, 12:39

Heaven is absolutely right. The current balance is an abomination and the balance team does not seem capable of doing any good work(for example the new patch adds a list of completely useless and braindead changes instead of reverting back to 2016).

Also its even better to permanently ban the whole balance team from the game since you can't trust absolute cancer to not kill everything around it. This game needs chemotherapy badly
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Re: Upcoming Elections

Postby Farmsletje » 21 Apr 2019, 12:54

I'm sure faf would be way better with 2016 navy balance, t3 rush every game in 1v1's, ahwassa's that never drop their bombs and a telemazer that needs 100k mass to be invested to properly counter it.
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Re: Upcoming Elections

Postby tatsu » 21 Apr 2019, 12:58

I'd like for people to stop using polar extremes to describe things.

So far neither description is accurate. the truth lies somewhere in the middle and right now the stats would beg to differ with the claim that "everyone hates the game as is".

I'm a big believer in "everything can always be improved, and always even more, and ect ect ect..." I also understand that things changing too fast can put people off. The changes have slowed down, maybe we're in the middle of a sweet spot.

on top of that many goals that were goals simply because nothing else could be done without them being done first have been accomplished.

With the durable a performant net code that ICE acts as in place we can look forward to features such as galactic war finally making a return.

things, while they could certainly be better are not exactly dire either.
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