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A question for brand new players

Postby Medicraze » 01 Mar 2018, 04:09

I need feedback from new players!!!

Why?
In an effort to bring new players to FAF (and keeping them here), I am making a tutorial series.
What I've gathered:
A major barrier of entry for new players is how overwhelming this game can be when you start.

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Link: WTF FAF tutorials and how-to: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... EQTjHmXvoj
The videos are designed with behavioral psychology in mind.
In short, it is presented in an easy to digest format. Many videos I find are Amazing for those who know the basics. But, learning from something that teaches ALL the build orders or explains why a unit is 1.3% more mass efficient than another unit blablabla makes the game feel like it's overwhelming, when it shouldn't, because it's not.

Video 2: WTF is Eco basics
https://youtu.be/kEyfDAfXywo

I NEED YOUR FEEDBACK!
Is the video meeting a high standard of quality?
Does it feel official and trustworthy?
Do you feel like you are learning something?
Do you feel like you've wasted your time watching?
Does it feel overwhelming?

Any other feedback is appreciated.
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Re: A question for brand new players

Postby Exotic_Retard » 01 Mar 2018, 10:43

1. the editing is nice, and the vid has an overall high quality feel to it.
2.it feels trustworthy, but not sure what you mean with official. it looks like something a youtuber might make (no shit its a yt vid) doesnt look like something that says this is official faf content if thats what youre looking for.
3.the first bit about the acu if you die feels a little dumbed down, but the explanation of oc really is important imo, lots of new players dont seem to know about it. the upgrades explanation is good too. I feel that some adjustment might be good so that its giving really really correct advice - stressing that an acu is great to be used agressively, but you need to understand when it gets too dangerous, and how to make sure you dont suicide while doing it. The upgrades are great but a general awareness that there are situations where you prefer one over the other (like t2 when you have eco to build stuff with, or some general commentary that if you get an upgrade you need to plan to use it)
4.the vid is pretty short, i think it could be a bit longer. not saying it SHOULD be though. this current length seems to be pretty well packed, and its certainly not long enough to be boring for example

or something like that at least.
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Re: A question for brand new players

Postby ZLO_RD » 01 Mar 2018, 11:25

Exotic_Retard wrote:... but the explanation of oc really is important imo ....

problem with that is that you will have to talk about such abomination as armor type mechanic, and Inheritance of armor type (shield has same armor type as unit that generates it) - static shield bubble counts as building, while mobile shield counts as unit, even tho they both are just shields.
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Re: A question for brand new players

Postby Exotic_Retard » 01 Mar 2018, 11:42

that was mostly a comment that i liked the way he did the oc explanation, i think the info given there is the non obvious stuff, and that its needed to know, while other things like armour types can be worked out on their own anyway. i wouldnt really change that part, in case it wasnt clear
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Re: A question for brand new players

Postby boris_zerty » 01 Mar 2018, 11:45

I am not exactly new, I tried faf ~3 years ago, bug gave up after a dozen games (yep, overwhelmed). I just reinstalled the game and I am currently playing with bots.

> Is the video meeting a high standard of quality?
yes, i like the short but focused format. The only remark is about the loudness of the background music: for non-native speakers (especially without headsets) it becomes quite hard to understand what is being said when background noises are loud.

> Does it feel official and trustworthy?
Official… not really but I don’t think it’s a bad thing. Trustworthy, yes, everything is explained with an example

> Do you feel like you are learning something?
Definitely yes

> Do you feel like you've wasted your time watching?
Definitely no

> Does it feel overwhelming?
Not really, the video is short and focused

thanks for the time you are taking to make these videos!
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Re: A question for brand new players

Postby Medicraze » 01 Mar 2018, 15:03

Exotic_Retard wrote:1. the editing is nice, and the vid has an overall high quality feel to it.
2.it feels trustworthy, but not sure what you mean with official. it looks like something a youtuber might make (no shit its a yt vid) doesnt look like something that says this is official faf content if thats what youre looking for.
3.the first bit about the acu if you die feels a little dumbed down, but the explanation of oc really is important imo, lots of new players dont seem to know about it. the upgrades explanation is good too. I feel that some adjustment might be good so that its giving really really correct advice - stressing that an acu is great to be used agressively, but you need to understand when it gets too dangerous, and how to make sure you dont suicide while doing it. The upgrades are great but a general awareness that there are situations where you prefer one over the other (like t2 when you have eco to build stuff with, or some general commentary that if you get an upgrade you need to plan to use it)
4.the vid is pretty short, i think it could be a bit longer. not saying it SHOULD be though. this current length seems to be pretty well packed, and its certainly not long enough to be boring for example

or something like that at least.


Official as in coming from faf. If it feels official, it increases trust. That's what I mean.
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There are plans to dive into upgrades. But each video is bite sized. A video about ACU basics shouldn't involve strategy imo, because that may not be what the player is wondering. But I do have a couple videos lined up expanding the ACU knowledge. How to use (strategy), and wtf are these upgrades. Small bits of info makes it easier to learn. I'm trying to address perception to ease learning.
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Re: A question for brand new players

Postby Medicraze » 01 Mar 2018, 15:06

boris_zerty wrote:I am not exactly new, I tried faf ~3 years ago, bug gave up after a dozen games (yep, overwhelmed). I just reinstalled the game and I am currently playing with bots.

> Is the video meeting a high standard of quality?
yes, i like the short but focused format. The only remark is about the loudness of the background music: for non-native speakers (especially without headsets) it becomes quite hard to understand what is being said when background noises are loud.

> Does it feel official and trustworthy?
Official… not really but I don’t think it’s a bad thing. Trustworthy, yes, everything is explained with an example

> Do you feel like you are learning something?
Definitely yes

> Do you feel like you've wasted your time watching?
Definitely no

> Does it feel overwhelming?
Not really, the video is short and focused

thanks for the time you are taking to make these videos!



Thank you for letting me know. This helps me out. I haven't thought of players who have abandoned the game and come back.
If you see me in the client, pm me. I don't mind helping new players.
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Re: A question for brand new players

Postby Mach » 03 Mar 2018, 13:57

this reminds me of that gyle video explaining Megalith, that one seemed more official somehow but this one had kind of better commentary

both were entertaining and had something to learn

something about your video - you said "if ACU dies - you lose", I think you should have added "in assassination victory condition which is most common one, and only one in ladder automatch" or something like that as it doesnt always apply
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Re: A question for brand new players

Postby Medicraze » 04 Mar 2018, 04:06

Mach wrote:this reminds me of that gyle video explaining Megalith, that one seemed more official somehow but this one had kind of better commentary

both were entertaining and had something to learn

something about your video - you said "if ACU dies - you lose", I think you should have added "in assassination victory condition which is most common one, and only one in ladder automatch" or something like that as it doesnt always apply


Ya I watched it after it was uploaded and I was thinking the same thing...like...why did I put something so obvious in there? Lol
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